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    Default all verbs with 3 voices (active/middle/passive) within 3 verses

    In order to study the nuance of Greek verbal voices, I tried to search all verbs that are present with 3 voices by the following command:

    Code:
    .#1@v[isodnp]?a* #1@v[isodnp]?m* #1@v[isodnp]?p* ;3
    to my amazement, nothing found in BW8.

    then I revise the search by removing the proximity constraint:
    Code:
    .#1@v[isodnp]?a* #1@v[isodnp]?m* #1@v[isodnp]?p*
    again, nothing found.

    However, when I resort to GSE, 2 verses (Lev 20:10; Jda 19:30) are found.
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    Can anyone help me on this ? How can I search
    all verbs with 3 voices (active/middle/passive) within 3 verses ?

    Thanks a lot !!

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    I'm not sure why the command line search didn't work. The "within 3 verses" one probably didn't work for the same reason that it won't work with the GSE.
    To see what I mean, type in your initial query -
    .#1@v[isodnp]?a* #1@v[isodnp]?m* #1@v[isodnp]?p* ;3

    then click Tools under the command line and Graphical Search Engine, and it will create the GSE with those parameters. If you try to run the search, you will get a bunch of error/warning messages.

    I'm more puzzled why the single verse command line search didn't work...
    Side note: I also tried the simpler: .#1@v??a* #1@v??m* #1@v??p*
    You can see that I've replaced your bracketed moods with a question mark. That question mark doesn't appear as an option in the dropdown as you type the command line, but there's a little trick. Hit the ESC key, then type the question mark, and then the dropdown options will appear again.

    Anyway, I've attached a QF file (which is what the GSE uses) that does accomplish what you want.
    The trick is that you have to use Word proximity not Verse proximity.
    What you'll see I've done is add an ordering mode connector between the boxes which I then edited to set the range between 0 and 100 words. (You can make that range larger or smaller.) BUT, when you are setting that range, also be sure to click on the "Ignore word order (proximity search)" option.

    With the range I specified, I got 94 hits in 46 verses. Many of them are γινομαι forms, but there are other interesting ones.
    Save this QF file to your ase subdirectory in BW: Verbs.AMPvoice.within100.qf
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    Mark G. Vitalis Hoffman
    Glatfelter Professor of Biblical Studies
    United Lutheran Seminary at Gettysburg & Philadelphia
    uls.edu - CrossMarks.com
    Biblical Studies and Technological Tools

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    Dear Mark, thanks for the great help !! despite the 'mystery' (of why the command lines not working), your QF file works beautifully

    thanks again !!

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    You are welcome!
    BTW, you might also want to take a look at the GNM version. It uses a somewhat more complex coding system and tries to sort out the voices and distinguishes between: active, middle, passive, middle or passive, middle deponent, passive deponent, middle or passive deponent!

    I couldn't get a good search to run, but from what you described, check out the verbs that the GNM identifies as "middle or passive."
    Mat 11.12 is an interesting example of whether βιαζεται should be a middle with something like the sense of: the dominion of the heavens forcefully advances OR passive as most translations choose: the dominion of the heavens suffers violence

    Another interesting one is καλουνται in Luke 22.25. Are the ones who have authority called Benefactors by others (passive), or do they call themselves (middle) Benefactors?
    Mark G. Vitalis Hoffman
    Glatfelter Professor of Biblical Studies
    United Lutheran Seminary at Gettysburg & Philadelphia
    uls.edu - CrossMarks.com
    Biblical Studies and Technological Tools

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    thanks for the advice.

    Indeed, GNM provides better precision in handling deponents --- which should be very helpful in my struggle to 'set aside "deponency"'

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