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    Default Are the modules offered through WordSearch integrated with BibleWorks or read-only?

    If I bought BibleWorks8 and bought the commentaries from WordSearch would the commentaries be integrated with the Bible I am viewing so that if I click on the verse the commentary will turn to that verse comment automatically? or would they be jut like a separate file that you have to read like a book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer View Post
    If I bought BibleWorks8 and bought the commentaries from WordSearch would the commentaries be integrated with the Bible I am viewing so that if I click on the verse the commentary will turn to that verse comment automatically? or would they be jut like a separate file that you have to read like a book?
    I guess I don't know what you mean when you use that dichotomy. I blogged about them a little bit on the unofficial BibleWorks blog, maybe seeing pictures of them there may help give you an idea about them.

    Essentially, it is a separate file, like grammars in BibleWorks are. But if you are in Genesis 3:16 for instance and you have a commentary that has cited Genesis 3:16, it will show up in the analysis window and if you click on the link you are immediately taken to that spot in the commentary.
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    Ok, that is better than having to switch back and forth to and from a different bible program that has modern scholarly bible commentaries. The way it works with e-Sword is that the commentaries are divided up so when you click on a verse, if a particular commentary commented on that specific verse, it will let you know that there is a comment in that commentary on that specific verse by highlighting that tab. So if you have 10 commentaries, only the commentaries that have comments on that exact verse will be highlighted. This saves me from having to skim through 10 commentaries to find the ones that commented on that specific verse. Even if the commentaries don't automatically open up, if BibleWorks will highlight them so I will know without having to open each one up, whether they have a comment there or not, that would be great. And is it instantly opened to that passage in the commentary? Or do you have to take additional steps to get to that page? Do you have to wait for the book to load each time you click on the commentary? With e-Sword jumping from one commentary to the next on the same passage is a breeze. If I upgraded to BibleWorks I would want something relatively close to this kind of ease.

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    sorry, i just re-read your last post, and you said it quite plain that it will immediately take me to that spot. I guess you can't get much more plain than that. I guess I am just a little paranoid about investing in it. I am sure that if I got it I would be totally amazed and happy with it.

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    Default I wish the platform was a little bit more modern

    I guess this may seem inconsequential to many people, but to me it kind of matters. I enjoy looking at an aesthetically pleasing bible program, and the only thing that holds me back from buying this program perhaps is the (sorry) boring look to it. It looks so '80s to me. I mean I think e-Sword looks better than this program. Have you all seen theWord? I am sure it is dwarfed by BibleWorks' capabilities, but I have to say it sure looks good. If I have to stare at the computer screen for hours studying scripture, I really appreciate it if it does not look so plain. I don't mean to put it down, but this is my advice. That's all. Other Bible programs have really made their programs look nice. TheWord really looks good on my screen. The letters are crisp and clear. It just really looks nice. That is what I want when I buy a new Bible program that I intend to build on and use for years. I expect it to look like just as good as other new programs.

    On that note, the advancements that theWord apparently is using also makes the fonts look really clear. As far as functionality, I think this is a legitimate concern (not just for aesthetics) because it should be easy to read the diacritical marks on the greek fonts, not to mention the fact that I want the english fonts to look crisp and clear against a brilliant white background like I have on theWord. Can you all maybe update the overall appearance of your program? That would certainly make it much more appealing for me to buy it.

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    The other thing I noticed is that this program comes with a very large number of bibles in different languages. Why not offer less of those and throw in one modern commentary or two? And then people from different countries could just buy an add-on Bible in their native tongue? I will probably never use most of those foreign language Bibles. I would much more prefer maybe one modern commentary. There must be room for extra modules on this program, because the different language Bibles are not necessary for studying the Bibles ancient tongues. So I don't think you leave out commentaries because it will interfere with the functionality of the foreign language tools. So why not put a modern commentary in with the initial package and eliminate all of those Bibles in different languages and maybe offer them for free as an add-on or for a nominal fee as an add-on?

    How clear are the fonts? The views of the program in the online brochure look very fuzzy.

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    Hi Kristofer,

    Thank you for the suggestions about the looks of BibleWorks. We will take them into consideration. Asthetics are always difficult, as everyone has different tastes.

    The mission of BibleWorks is to focus as closely as possible on the Biblical text. We include a large number of non-English versions because we have a lot of users throughout the world. We have a policy that we do not charge extra for Bible versions. Because this is so, we do not sell Bible versions as add-on modules.

    Adding Bible commentaries is a difficult item. There are so many different commentaries available, and everyone has their favorites. It would take a lot of time in our development department to format these commentaries, and this would take time away from working on other features that are more central to our core mission. We are glad that WORDsearch is making available Bible commentaries for those who wish to add them to BibleWorks. I am not saying that we will never add commentaries, but right now we have alot of other things to develop for the program.

    When a resource (such as a grammar, dictionary, commentary, etc.) contains a Scripture reference, the reference appears in the Resource Summary Window. In this way you can see instantly which resources contain reference to the Scripture reference. You do not have to search for the reference--the reference appears automatically in the Resource Summary Window. Clicking on the reference in the Resource Summary Window opens that resource and takes you directly to the place where the Scripture reference appears in the resource. Both the BibleWorks and the WORDsearch modules work in this way.

    If you purchase BibleWorks directly from BibleWorks, there is a 30-day money-back guarantee. If BibleWorks does not suit your needs, then you can return the program within that time period for a refund, less the shipping costs. If you have questions about this, you can contact our Customer Service team and they can answer any questions you may have about it. (I am in content development, so contacting Customer Service would yield better answers than I can give about this.)

    Blessings,
    Glenn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer View Post
    I enjoy looking at an aesthetically pleasing bible program, and the only thing that holds me back from buying this program perhaps is the (sorry) boring look to it. It looks so '80s to me. I mean I think e-Sword looks better than this program.
    And I think BibleWorks has a clean functional appearance, which I appreciate. Surely don't want it to start looking like MS Word!

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    כִּי עֶזְרָא הֵכִין לְבָבוֹ לִדְרוֹשׁ אֶת־תּוֹרַת יְהוָה וְלַעֲשֹׂת וּלְלַמֵּד בְּיִשְׂרָאֵל חֹק וּמִשְׁפָּט (Ezra 7:10)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer View Post
    I guess this may seem inconsequential to many people, but to me it kind of matters. I enjoy looking at an aesthetically pleasing bible program, and the only thing that holds me back from buying this program perhaps is the (sorry) boring look to it. It looks so '80s to me. I mean I think e-Sword looks better than this program. Have you all seen theWord? I am sure it is dwarfed by BibleWorks' capabilities, but I have to say it sure looks good. If I have to stare at the computer screen for hours studying scripture, I really appreciate it if it does not look so plain. I don't mean to put it down, but this is my advice. That's all. Other Bible programs have really made their programs look nice. TheWord really looks good on my screen. The letters are crisp and clear. It just really looks nice. That is what I want when I buy a new Bible program that I intend to build on and use for years. I expect it to look like just as good as other new programs.

    On that note, the advancements that theWord apparently is using also makes the fonts look really clear. As far as functionality, I think this is a legitimate concern (not just for aesthetics) because it should be easy to read the diacritical marks on the greek fonts, not to mention the fact that I want the english fonts to look crisp and clear against a brilliant white background like I have on theWord. Can you all maybe update the overall appearance of your program? That would certainly make it much more appealing for me to buy it.
    Kristofer,

    My thoughts were very similar to yours before I first purchased BW. Here is a thread I started about a year ago expressing the same concerns. And I think you will see several of those concerns addressed in the responses.

    The fact is, BW does not provide nearly the eye candy that some other programs provide. But once you learn the layout, you will find it is very functional. What takes 8 clicks on other programs takes one on BW. That is, if the other programs have the ability to perform that particular function at all.

    Also, if you primarily want a program that links the Bible to various commentaries, BW is probably not for you. There are several Bible programs that serve that purpose, but BW serves a unique niche to "Focus on the (Biblical) Text." The addition of the commentaries via WordSearch is certainly welcome, but you will find them moved to the periphery instead of the front and center other Bible software gives its commentaries.
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    Default Thanks for the great responses!

    I certainly appreciate you all tolerating my seemingly child-like comments about the appearance of the platform of BibleWorks. It is so un-Christian to put a high value on what is on the surface of things. It's what's inside that counts. I will probably end up with BibleWorks as my Bible program, Lord willing, and I am looking forward to using some of those tools. I do intend to further my greek studies first though, so I can really appreciate the many dimensions of it.

    The only reason I want commentary and dictionary links is because the reason for me to do lexical and grammatical research is just one stage of biblical exegesis in a methodology that I have studied from Intro to Biblical Interpretation by Klein, Blomberg, and Hubbard Jr. The steps are:

    1- study the history/ culture behind the text
    2- Determine the context of the text
    3- Study lexical meanings
    4- Study grammar

    This is just in a nut-shell, and only my short version of what they say, and I hope I did it accurate justice. But my point is that I need to do more than study the Greek and Hebrew. They recommend using commentaries and Bible dictionaries and encyclopedias to research the culture and history behind the text.

    Ok.... here is what I am getting at...

    In e-Sword I can click on a verse and if I click on any of the commentaries it will take me to that commentaries comment that was written specifically on that verse; not an exhaustive list of every occurrence of that verse in the entire commentary. That may actually not be all that expedient. I don't know. I think I would like it e-Sword's way- just taking me directly to that commentary's entry that is specifically about that verse. How will I find the comment that the commentator wrote specifically on that verse with BibleWorks? It might take me 10 minutes to sift through all the references to that verse to find the meat that I am looking for. I really don't want to switch back and forth between two programs. I know you are busy working on the foreign language tools, but this would be really great if there was a feature where you could just cut directly to that commentaries comment that he wrote about that verse. Usually commentaries go in order from verse to verse, you know what I mean? I want to be able to go through the commentary from verse to verse, just as I would read a normal commentary in a Bible/ Commentary. I wouldn't read Gen 1:1 and look in the commentary for EVERY mention of Gen 1:1. I would look at what the commentator's first entry was in his commentary, namely what he wrote for Gen 1:1. I don't want to be the anti-BibleWorks guy. I know you have a theme and you don't want to stray from it. Maybe I will have to get two programs.

    By the way, another question I have is this: Is it possible you could offer a modern unabridged english dictionary module for BibleWorks? A lot of times I want to look up the english words in the lexicons that define the greek and hebrew words.

    I am not sure if you want me to take the above questions to customer service or questions about the money-back guarantee.

    Thanks for the help.
    Kris

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