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Thread: Searching for maqqeph / maqqep / maqqef / maqeph / maqep / maqef

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    Default Searching for maqqeph / maqqep / maqqef / maqeph / maqep / maqef

    Hi,

    I am currently trying to search all words with maqqeph / maqqep / maqqef / maqeph / maqep / maqef. First I tried a search with WTM ".*-*", but I only got 259 hits, and forms with more than one maqqeph have not been found (for example 2Sam 15,2).

    A search with WTM ".*-*-*" put out a message "cannot be found". The same with WTT.

    Any ideas how to get all maqqeph in the Old Testament?

    Thanks in advance,

    Joker

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    (NOTE: I have forgotten most of the Hebrew I learned in G-school)

    Joker,

    It appears the maqqeph is treated as punctuation, not as a character. This may be the problem. The hits you are getting (I got 220) may have more to do with the asterisk character doubling as a particular vowel point in Hebrew searches.

    If anyone else has an idea, have at it.

    Bob

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    Default Searching for punctuation


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    The attached file, Maqqeph.qf, should get you started.
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    Hi,

    first I would like to thank you kindly for your work! The qf-file is a big help, and I found a lot of maqqeph-verses in the Hebrew Old Testament :-)

    Unfortunately I don't understand how this search works. I never tried the graphical search manager, and so I see 4 squares with signs in it, that I can't explore, but the result is really cool. Is there anyone, who can tell me, how this search works?

    Again: Thank you for your work.

    Joker

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    Basically, it looks for any two words (the blue boxes with the asterisks) that are separated by a maqqeph (the ordering box). Double-click the ordering box and you'll find that it requires the custom punctuation "-", and that it must be exactly between the two words (no intervening characters or spaces).

    If you wanted to make this work for double maqqeph constructions, try the attached query.
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    To tell you the truth, I don't know why maqqef is tagged as punctuation. It actually functions as part of the accentual system and represents a prosodic clitic. Maqqef should be retagged as a separate accent so that it is searchable in the normal manner.

    Regards,
    David.

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    Thank you again for your answers.

    I think, it is okay, to tag the maqqeph as punctuation, because the Masoretes did so. In the Aleppo Codex for example - the oldest codex with punctuation - you can find the maqqeph; in scriptures without punctuation you cannot.

    So it is a bit hard to find the maqqeph with a bibleworks-search, but it is right to tag the maqqeph like this. And: Who will ever search this again? 1 in a million per year maybe :-D

    Thank you,

    Joker

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    One oddity with the double maqqeph query: it finds TRIPLE maqqephs by treating them as consecutive DOUBLE maqqephs. Strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joker View Post
    Hi,

    first I would like to thank you kindly for your work! The qf-file is a big help, and I found a lot of maqqeph-verses in the Hebrew Old Testament :-)

    Unfortunately I don't understand how this search works. I never tried the graphical search manager, and so I see 4 squares with signs in it, that I can't explore, but the result is really cool. Is there anyone, who can tell me, how this search works?

    Again: Thank you for your work.

    Joker

    I am always a learner when it comes to BBW, it is just such a large program with so many capabilities. unfortunatly one of the main uses of BBW the GSE or Graphical Search Engine, is one that I have never truly studied at length, however, if there is one thing that I do know, it is that the help guides in BBW are phenomenal, I am looking at the help file for GSE and it looks fairly complete. Some helpful tips also were in the "classroom tips" that they now send out, I believe it was section 1:12 here is a link here.
    I hope that I understood your question correctly.

    Peace in Christ,
    Chris.
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