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    Question Something Young's can do that BW can't (seriously)

    In studying translation techniques, I find it very useful to tabulate the different words in the source language that lie behind a single lexeme in the target language, and vice versa. Young's offers this "out of the box" (er, off the shelf). This information is contained in any Strong's-keyed BW text, but not readily accessible in this form. One has to search on the target word, then manually tabulate the different Strong's numbers, then search on the Strong's numbers and manually tabulate on the various target words. For rare words this isn't too bad (and one can bypass Strong's and the attendant difficulties in how it classifies words), but in the nature of the case this is a statistical technique, much more powerful for common words than for rare ones, and then one is back to a lot of manual slogging. This is basically the kind of functionality that Tov-Polak offers for the MT/LSS pair. E-sword (and maybe others) offers a resource called the "King James Concordance" that tabulates English words from the AV against a single Strong's numbers; that's half of the solution (for the AV).

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    I've bumped up against this in trying to give a brief introduction to word study, in that it seems easier to show non-Greek/Hebrew-readers how to track the use of an original-language term in an analytical concordance (any one, not just Young) than in BW. Is there a GSE method for this? I've always found the GSE intimidating, but I can't see a way to do it from the Command Line or the Browse Window.
    David Rensberger
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    Quote Originally Posted by Van Parunak View Post
    In studying translation techniques, I find it very useful to tabulate the different words in the source language that lie behind a single lexeme in the target language, and vice versa.
    Sounds like you're looking for a lemmatized AV. That would be handy.

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    Thanks to the nature of English (very little prefix variability in the morphology), we almost have one already, in the Strongs' coding. We just need a straightforward way to access the information (e.g., search on an English word, and display a tally of all the Strongs #s associated with it).

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    Default But apart from the AV?

    For those of us for whom the AV (and its underlying Hebrew and Greek texts, esp. in the NT) is no longer the primary version of reference, I wonder if the Strong's system is really adequate. What about Goodrick/Kohlenberger?

    But the original point here was whether it was possible to do this (find all the Hebrew or Greek words associated with an English word in a particular version) in BW. With all that BW can do, I'd like to hope that it is possible; but I don't have any idea how myself. Anyone else?
    David Rensberger
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    Default This is what I'm looking for, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by LFS View Post
    Is there an electronic "Young's Analytical Concordance to the Bible" for BibleWorks?
    I've been a BibleWorks user for many years now, but I haven't figured out how to use it like a Young's Analytical Concordance, even though folks here say BW can do anything a concordance can. Well, perhaps that's true.

    But here's what Young's does that I have yet to be able to do in BW:

    It lists the English word, and then breaks down the verses that come under that word into multiple listings, one for each Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek word that the English word translates. This way you can immediately see what original language words are represented by the English rendering.

    How can I do this in BW?

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    If what you want is Young's Analytical Concordance of the King James Bible, you can probably pick up a printed copy for less than an hour's wages. The developers of BibleWorks always said that we should not rely on BibleWorks to replace printed books. BW just makes studying the Bible in the original languages easier and quicker.
    You can make your own version of a Young's entry for an English word using BW, but that would not help you understand the Bible better as God intended it. It might perhaps help you understand what the KJV translators were up to. If that is what you want, you can search on any KJV word. Use the verse list manager to make a list of all the verses in which that word occurs. Then you can go through the list, find the Greek (or Hebrew) word associated with the word in question (if there actually is an underlying word in the original languages). Then you search on that word and compare lists of verses. You find a verse in the KJV list which is not in the Greek/Hebrew verse list, click on that verse and find the underlying Greek/Hebrew word. Search on that word, and check that verse list with the KJV verse list. etc. etc. Eventually you come up with the same thing Youngs did for you over a century ago.
    In short, yes, you can use BW to come up with Young's information, but why re-invent the wheel? Young already did that. And while the results might satisfy our curiosity about the KJV, they really do not help us understand God's word any better, at least not understand the original Greek or Hebrew better, which is BibleWorks strength.
    Mark Eddy

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