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    Default Copying WTT

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    I started a thread on this very topic a little while ago, but got no takers. Today, the problem recurred, so I thought I might take a stab at a new post. There seems to be a problem copying WTT. I tried copying in different ways (Popup Copy Window, Copy Selected results list verse, etc) and they all reproduced the same issue. When copying WTT into MS Word, the Hebrew text does not wrap correctly. As an example, try Lev. 21:5. I would be most interested to see if others are running in to this problem. For the record, I am running the most recent BW8 executable (8.0.011u.3, updated 7/16/09). I am using MS Word 2003 (latest service pack). Much obliged for responses. Thanks.

    Irving Salzman

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    Works fine for me. I'm using Word 2002.

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    Default Possibly a font mix up problem

    Quote Originally Posted by ISalzman View Post
    All,

    I started a thread on this very topic a little while ago, but got no takers. Today, the problem recurred, so I thought I might take a stab at a new post. There seems to be a problem copying WTT. I tried copying in different ways (Popup Copy Window, Copy Selected results list verse, etc) and they all reproduced the same issue. When copying WTT into MS Word, the Hebrew text does not wrap correctly. As an example, try Lev. 21:5. I would be most interested to see if others are running in to this problem. For the record, I am running the most recent BW8 executable (8.0.011u.3, updated 7/16/09). I am using MS Word 2003 (latest service pack). Much obliged for responses. Thanks.

    Irving Salzman
    It seems that a mix up of fonts may cause the problem. When I check the fonts of Lev 21:5 after copying it on MS Word 2007, I find that the parentheses and the square brackets along with “WTT Leviticus 21:5” are Times New Roman and the Hebrew texts are SBL Hebrew. (I am using TNR as the base font on my Word.)

    When the text of Lev 21:5 is copied to Word on a separate line, nothing is amiss. But when it is copied to Word in the middle of a line, the font mix up messes things up. It looks like the TNR follows the normal left-to-right process while the SBL H. tries right-to-left process, and if they are mixed on the same line, then the writing process goes back and forth, producing a confusion for us.

    However, if Lev 21:6, which has no internal font mix up, is copied to the Word text, even in the middle of a line, it looks understandably OK.

    So it seems that the question is how to handle the “( ) [ ]” in the middle of the WTT text. If so, isn’t this something the BW folks have to do something about?
    Last edited by Yaku Lee; 07-16-2009 at 10:35 PM. Reason: For clarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelphos View Post
    Works fine for me. I'm using Word 2002.
    Are you sure? Forgive my asking, Adelphos, but how good are you with Hebrew? And did you use the test case verse of Lev. 21:5? I think Yaku hit on something. He noted in his post that there was a problem in the verse but only insofar as the text within brackets and parentheses was concerned. It so happens that the text in brackets and parentheses was, respectively, the ketib and the qere. These don't wrap well. There must be a glitch in the code that doesn't recognize the bracketed text. I tried Lev. 21:6, as Yaku had suggested, and it worked fine for me (although I had to select the text and align it right after I copied it into MS Word). If you try Lev. 21:5, compare the verse in the Browse Window with your text once pasted into Word. I believe you'll notice a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaku Lee View Post
    It seems that a mix up of fonts may cause the problem. When I check the fonts of Lev 21:5 after copying it on MS Word 2007, I find that the parentheses and the square brackets along with “WTT Leviticus 21:5” are Times New Roman and the Hebrew texts are SBL Hebrew. (I am using TNR as the base font on my Word.)

    When the text of Lev 21:5 is copied to Word on a separate line, nothing is amiss. But when it is copied to Word in the middle of a line, the font mix up messes things up. It looks like the TNR follows the normal left-to-right process while the SBL H. tries right-to-left process, and if they are mixed on the same line, then the writing process goes back and forth, producing a confusion for us.

    However, if Lev 21:6, which has no internal font mix up, is copied to the Word text, even in the middle of a line, it looks understandably OK.

    So it seems that the question is how to handle the “( ) [ ]” in the middle of the WTT text. If so, isn’t this something the BW folks have to do something about it?
    Thanks Yaku. I think you've made a good observation. I think the brackets throw everything off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ISalzman View Post
    Are you sure? Forgive my asking, Adelphos, but how good are you with Hebrew? And did you use the test case verse of Lev. 21:5?
    I selected the text of Leviticus 21:5 with my mouse, chose "Repeate Last Copy Command" and then pasted it directly into Word. This is exactly how it came out --



    I edited absolutely nothing. What you see is exactly what I got, and on the right side of the page, as opposed to the left side. And in case you're wondering, it works exactly the same way if I include the verse reference preceeding it.
    Last edited by Adelphos; 07-17-2009 at 07:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelphos View Post
    I selected the text of Leviticus 21:5 with my mouse, chose "Repeate Last Copy Command" and then pasted it directly into Word. This is exactly how it came out --



    I edited absolutely nothing. What you see is exactly what I got, and on the right side of the page, as opposed to the left side. And in case you're wondering, it works exactly the same way if I include the verse reference preceeding it.
    Wow! OK, I believe you now. I tried doing what you suggested; I selected the text in the Browse Window, hit CTRL + C, and pasted into Word. Worked great! But what I had tried earlier was copying with the Popup Copy Window. That does NOT work properly. Could you try that, Adelphos? Have Lev. 21:5 displayed in your Browse Window. Click the 'Copy' button. Bring up the 'Popup Copy Window.' It should already be pre-populated with Lev. 21:5 as of today's BW executable update (8.0.011u.3). Click 'Copy.' Paste into MS Word. And then tell me what you get. (If you would please, please oblige me on this) Thanks so much.

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    No, it copies backwards when I use the popup copy window, but fortunately for me the popup copy window is something I never use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelphos View Post
    No, it copies backwards when I use the popup copy window, but fortunately for me the popup copy window is something I never use.
    Thanks for verifying. It must be a glitch in the Popup Copy Window. I used to use it all the time in previous versions of BibleWorks. I'll obviously not use it for now when it comes to copying WTT. For one reason or another it is not handling WTT very well at all. I wonder if this is an issue that will be addressed by the programmers. The Popup Window can be a handy little tool, especially when you want to copy ranges, and even large ranges, of text.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelphos View Post
    No, it copies backwards when I use the popup copy window, but fortunately for me the popup copy window is something I never use.
    The problem has been fixed with the latest program executable update. The BibleWorks staff and programmers are the best!

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