What would you like to see in BibleWorks 10?

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Originally Posted by haydnguy

I would like to post a possible reason why. If you notice on the BibleWorks homepage, they show Bibleworks running on a tablet, a Surface Pro 3, and a Mac. A Surface Pro 3 is manufactured by Microsoft and is basically a tablet with a keyboard attached. (the keyboard is not included. You have to pay extra for that.) All the screens on the homepage are running Windows except the Mac. The problem is that Windows has not been successful in gaining market share on tablets or phones. Windows has only a 4% market share at this time. My guess is that they are working to get BibleWorks so it's usable on Android and Apple tablets for the long haul. It would be a huge effort. There are a couple of ways that they could do this that I know of but at any rate I'm pulling for the BibleWorks team and look forward to whatever they come up with!! :)

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I don't want to open a can of worms. My grandfather said don't do that unless you're going fishing. But a couple of comments may be helpful. Windows still dominates the desktop PC market with 75% of the share. Apple is less than 5%. Where Apple has a big lead is in the pad computer arena. But the 4% number is very misleading. Most serious work is still done on desktops and laptops. We could debate that until the cows come home, but this isn't the best place for that discussion. Anyone who writes off Windows is making a big mistake, whether the discussion is about desktops, or pad computers.

We are aware that this is the longest length of time between versions that we have had. There are many reasons for that. One main one is the development of a Mac version, a process which is still ongoing. The Mac version in BibleWorks 10 is a vast improvement over BW9. Ant it will continue to get better and better over time. We have also made significant changes in the program interface which have taken a long time to complete. We have done all the easy things. Most of the improvements in BibleWorks 10 are difficult and time-consuming. But we think people will appreciate them. Of course we can't give any dates for obvious reasons. But we are working hard at it and will have something for you, Lord willing, well before the cows come home.

Mike

Thanks for the reply Michael. I for one am glad we don't rush from version to version. In the past I feel like I'm barely using all the power under the hood before the next version comes out. :)
But don't get me wrong--I'm ready for 10. :)

Thanks for the giving us the best bible software on the planet!!!!

Blessings and peace,
Dave

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Originally Posted by MBushell

But we are working hard at it and will have something for you, Lord willing, well before the cows come home.
Mike

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Does that mean today? (I live in a county that has more cows per square mile than any other county East of the Mississippi River. It's very cold outside, and the cows are all home.) :)

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Originally Posted by navilluspm

Does that mean today? (I live in a county that has more cows per square mile than any other county East of the Mississippi River. It's very cold outside, and the cows are all home.) :)

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Hey, I like that interpretation. ;)

I'm very interested to see how those interface updates come out.

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Originally Posted by MBushell

We are aware that this is the longest length of time between versions that we have had. There are many reasons for that. One main one is the development of a Mac version, a process which is still ongoing. The Mac version in BibleWorks 10 is a vast improvement over BW9. Ant it will continue to get better and better over time.

Mike

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Is the Mac Version in BW 10 a true Mac-Coded software or it will work under WINE as BW9? My hunch is that BW 10 will still not have a natively coded mac version, but will be translated through WINE, which is not the best solution.
I hear your argument about 75% of computers still being Windows based, and I know that investing into the development of a true Mac version of BW will cost a lot of $$$, but you guys have to seriously consider it. Here is why:

I have 40+ pastor friends; many of whom either have a Mac Computer or consider switching to Mac. The younger colleagues of mine do not even consider anything else but Mac. And virtually every pastor friend of mine has an iPad; only one of them has a Surface Pro. Some of my pastor friends, who were BW users already switched to Accordance simply because Accordance has an iPad app. I have considered switching to Accordance myself because I use Mac, but after trying it out, I can say, that it cannot hold a candle to BW. BW is vastly superior and worth every penny; this is why I'm putting up with BW under parallels + Windows, which drains my battery much faster than OS X.

Don't do the mistake of Microsoft, waiting to get on the mobile market till it was too late and now MS is playing the catch-up game with Apple. Accordance has already a Windows version, and Logos their Mac version. I will hate to see BW being overshadowed by Accordance or Logos, both of which are not on the level of BW!
Thank you for developing a superior Bible Software and for reading this post!
Blessings!

Thank you MBushell for posting the following:

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Originally Posted by MBushell

We are aware that this is the longest length of time between versions that we have had. There are many reasons for that. One main one is the development of a Mac version, a process which is still ongoing. The Mac version in BibleWorks 10 is a vast improvement over BW9. Ant it will continue to get better and better over time. We have also made significant changes in the program interface which have taken a long time to complete. We have done all the easy things. Most of the improvements in BibleWorks 10 are difficult and time-consuming. But we think people will appreciate them. Of course we can't give any dates for obvious reasons. But we are working hard at it and will have something for you, Lord willing, well before the cows come home.

Mike

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I appreciate every word of this exciting news and look forward to seeing this in the future. I am also thankful that you and your team made the wise decision to take the time to work the next version rather than pushing out incremental new versions just for the sake of marketing. I highly respect that as I believe that is a very tough decision for any company to make in this highly competitive capitalistic world. As, always may God continue to bless and keep you.

Grace and Peace,
Brian

Hi Julian,

BibleWorks 9 on Mac runs under Wine, yes, but the program runs the same as a native Mac version. What matters, in the end, is not how the program is coded, but how it works for the user. Yes, there are a few items that are not up to the same level as the Windows installation, but they are minor items. The Mac version works very well!


You mentioned that you are using BW under Parallels + Windows. I suggest spending the $6 to get the Mac installer and trying it out on your Mac. You might be surprised at how well it runs! (Your BW9 disks have to be Revision 3 or higher. If they are not Rev 3 or higher, you would also need to obtain a new set of disks, which currently are priced at $30.) These are available on the BibleWorks webstore.

Blessings,
Glenn

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Originally Posted by Glenn Weaver

Hi Julian,

BibleWorks 9 on Mac runs under Wine, yes, but the program runs the same as a native Mac version. What matters, in the end, is not how the program is coded, but how it works for the user. Yes, there are a few items that are not up to the same level as the Windows installation, but they are minor items. The Mac version works very well!


You mentioned that you are using BW under Parallels + Windows. I suggest spending the $6 to get the Mac installer and trying it out on your Mac. You might be surprised at how well it runs! (Your BW9 disks have to be Revision 3 or higher. If they are not Rev 3 or higher, you would also need to obtain a new set of disks, which currently are priced at $30.) These are available on the BibleWorks webstore.

Blessings,
Glenn

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Glenn,
I appreciate your reply and will definitely give the Mac Installer a try when the BW 10 comes out. I am convinced BW 10 will be very good. I'm using BW since v. 4 and have never been disappointed by any of the updates; each worth the money. Thank you for the exceptional exegetical tool you give us through BibleWorks!!! I cannot imagine my sermon prep without BibleWorks.
Julian

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Originally Posted by Glenn Weaver

Hi Julian,

BibleWorks 9 on Mac runs under Wine, yes, but the program runs the same as a native Mac version. What matters, in the end, is not how the program is coded, but how it works for the user. Yes, there are a few items that are not up to the same level as the Windows installation, but they are minor items. The Mac version works very well!


You mentioned that you are using BW under Parallels + Windows. I suggest spending the $6 to get the Mac installer and trying it out on your Mac. You might be surprised at how well it runs! (Your BW9 disks have to be Revision 3 or higher. If they are not Rev 3 or higher, you would also need to obtain a new set of disks, which currently are priced at $30.) These are available on the BibleWorks webstore.

Blessings,
Glenn

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I am using a Mac and am new to BW. I recently installed BW on an Windows XP virtual machine in VirtualBox and did the WINE installation (the CodeWeavers/WINE/"native") route. I haven't used many of the features of BW, but one difference I noted is that the navigation arrows in the WINE version in the parallel window seem smaller (and harder to navigate since it's harder to tell which one I'm clicking) than those with the program installed in real the Windows OS.

Battery life: although I'm using a MacBook Pro, it's usually used only as a desktop machine (almost always plugged in), so I don't worry about the battery's time-to-discharge. I'm still deciding which version I'm going to keep long term, since I also have other programs on the Windows side that are essential to my work.

So far I'm rather pleased with the WINE/CodeWeavers/"Native" Mac version. I would say it's a good idea to try it out if you're on a Mac and don't need a virtual machine for anything else.Attachment 1256Attachment 1257

Hello,

I would like to see a quicker lookup of context related X-Refs. Maybe like that, that you have your immediate verse in your X-Ref window (just like it is at present) and if you hover over your X-Ref Verse it pop-ups the context of 2-4 verses before and behind the Verse.
I think that would be a nice feature for quicker work with cross references.

Blessings,
Steffen

I would like to se BW 10 incorporate a "count search" option - as in Accordance: * [count 1] - will search all hapax-words in the given range/limits.
There is a way to do this in bw, http://kb.bibleworksllc.com/ikb/ques...?questionid=95, but it is pretty cumbersome.

I think many students would like a way to color the most rare used words in the text, they study. We have the color-option - but not the count-option.

Would that not be possible to incorporate pretty easily?

Morten

Another thing: I really would like to see an additional way of approaching the vast body of texts. The option provided now is division based on languages - but for students (and others) with less overview of the vast body of texts available, it would be really help to have an entrance through groups of texts - both when installing and when browsing texts. This will probably demand some programming - but it should be possible since there are not so many groups of texts after all.

Like:
- LXX-texts.
- Bible-texts.
- OT pseudepigraphs.
- Apostolic fathers.
- Church fathers and so on.

I recommend my students to compile Favorites as the first thing, and have provided them with a list of databases to install - but why not do this from a central hold?

I think it would boost the value of BW for many users - and surprise them as to how much comes in the standard package.

BTW: I REALLY appreciate the work done by Mark Hoffmann and Mike Hanel here: https://www.bibleworks.com/forums/sho...h-texts-for-BW.
It is something like this, I would like to see incorporated by default in BW10.

To my mind, it is one of the lowest hanging fruits in regards to a more user/student friendly BW.

Morten

One of the better user interface/features I have seen develop in software over the years is "tabbed" browsing, documents, etc. It provides an excellent, and on-the-fly flexible, use of work space and easy flipping to and from work areas. I find that one of the "challenges" of BibleWorks. The first as I have mentioned in this thread is the lack of control on layout; even when you get a layout you like there are always tasks you want to perform regularly but you don't have the space available. And that is the other issue is BW is loaded with so much great content it is impossible to feature it all in one workspace. Even getting the "core" features visible often means compromising usability unless you are working on a larger display. BW has some similar features but the elegance of browser tabs is intuitive. I find, for example, Blueletterbibles TSK to be much more usable than BW for this reason so when I want to use that tool I go to their website.

I know it is likely very late in the development process to consider such user face features unless they were already intended. Big picture, especially with the growth of platforms (both desktop and mobile), as well as digital installation / registration, moving to a browser-based platform seems a natural development. I use Zotero a bit and that has worked out well IMO.

I'd like to see the Zoom Level for viewing manuscripts enhanced to allow one to manipulate zoom level without clicking three times.

Maybe use standard Windows key combinations of Ctrl + andCtrl - when we've recently been viewing in the MSS tab?

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Glenn

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I'd like to see more up to date french versions. Most of them are given freely by the editors to webstite such as "Biblegateway" and others of the same genre. So I assume it wouldn't be difficult to include them in BW10 for the numerous french people that are using BW and are all complaining about that issue (and I know maybe 20 french BW users, they all point out that as the major issue because otherwise BW is just so great !).

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Originally Posted by Timobe

I'd like to see more up to date french versions. Most of them are given freely by the editors to webstite such as "Biblegateway" and others of the same genre. So I assume it wouldn't be difficult to include them in BW10 for the numerous french people that are using BW and are all complaining about that issue (and I know maybe 20 french BW users, they all point out that as the major issue because otherwise BW is just so great !).

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My sentiments exactly!

Steffen

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Originally Posted by Timobe

I'd like to see more up to date french versions. Most of them are given freely by the editors to webstite such as "Biblegateway" and others of the same genre. So I assume it wouldn't be difficult to include them in BW10 for the numerous french people that are using BW and are all complaining about that issue (and I know maybe 20 french BW users, they all point out that as the major issue because otherwise BW is just so great !).

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Une excellente proposition ! Je suis pour ! Actually, I contacted BW some time ago about seeing if "la Bible à la Colombe" and "la Nouvelle Bible Segond" (NBS) could be added. I was told that, in cases such as this, contact should be made with la Société biblique française, which I did. The SBF didn't really react to my request, and I haven't taken the time to follow up since then. I would suggest:

• Making a request directly to BibleWorks, then
• Contacting la Société biblique française about this. The more requests there are, the better the chances of seeing something happen would be.

It would also be good to see "la Bible du Semeur", even though it's much more of a paraphrase the the others I mentioned, and not one I particularly recommend for in-depth study of the text.

Donald Cobb
Aix-en-Provence, France

As mentioned on a separate thread, I'd love to see the Theological Journal Library being available in the next version! I know it's not an original language resource but since Logos rejected the journals I'd love to access them through BW rather than a competitor. Hampton Keathley said over a year ago now they would be available on BW in time.

Colin

I'd also like to see a search feature that allows a user to have 1 to 5 verse buffer, either before or after, depending on whether the search result includes a conjunction that would necessitate looking at the verses before or after.

If a search results in Titus 1:10, "For there are many who are ...", then the user should be able to set the results displayed to include the verse(s) preceding it.

On the other hand, if the result is Titus 2:10, "not pilfering, but showing ...', where the following verse has a subordinating conjunction, 'for', the result full results would display the verse(s) following it.

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I'm guessing I can already do this some how in the GSE (ideas would be helpful), but it would be nice if this was a simple option to select.

I'd like to see BW add into the Vocabulary Flashcard Module the option to hear the words read as they appear in Scripture, or at least in the word order of the major manuscripts.

Thanks to Edward and all the rest. Keep it coming. Please keep it coming.

Looks like we got some answers.... BibleWorks 10!

WOW! I'm surprised no official announcement here. Just saw this on the web site. :)

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Originally Posted by calvary

WOW! I'm surprised no official announcement here. Just saw this on the web site. :)

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The official release is Monday and there will be an official announcement here then. Starting the web site early allows us to get the kinks out of the site first. I'm going to close this lengthy thread since it is no longer relevant. Discussion of the release can continue on another thread. We look forward to comments!

Mike