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Thread: Stuttgart Elektronic Study Bible from the GBS, demo

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    Default Stuttgart Elektronic Study Bible from the GBS, demo

    A Powerpoint demo of the new Biblestudy programm SESB (Stuttgart Elektronic Study Bible) from the GBS can be downloaded at:

    http://www.dbg.de/article.php?channel=S&article=418
    Best wishes
    Wieland
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    Wieland Willker, Bremen, Germany
    http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie
    Textcritical commentary:
    http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/TCG/index.html

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    At first look, the morphological search looks much easier than in BW. And textual apparatus, yay.

    But just the NIV and NRSV (see http://www.cybcity.com/bibchr/nrsv.html)? Ick. Brr-r-r-r!

    Dan
    Dan Phillips
    Books:Web presence:
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    s `jP'(v.miW qxo laer"f.yIB. dMel;l.W

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    Default The SESB

    Greetings to all,

    I just took a look at the SESB by Logos and the German Bible Society http://www.logos.com/products/details/1981 and it does look impressive.

    The list price is $279.00 but I have found that by looking around via the internet especially you can usually find software (somewhere!) at lower than retail.

    What I like about BW is that the quality is high and maintained so and the price is affordable. I think that says alot for the people at BW.

    Shalom,

    Roundtree.

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    Thumbs down Say what? $279?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roundtree
    The list price is $279.00 but I have found that by looking around via the internet especially you can usually find software (somewhere!) at lower than retail.

    What I like about BW is that the quality is high and maintained so and the price is affordable. I think that says alot for the people at BW.

    Roundtree.
    $279 when the only genuinely new feature is the BHS critical apparatus?! You can buy the BHS for $50 and get the apparatus free! I think it is a bit of a rip-off. I'll stick to BibleWorks...

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    Default SESB apparatus

    Yes, the real thing about SESB is the critical apparatus. I've not seen it anywhere else, and that's the reason why I still need to carry a BHS+NA with me...
    But SESB is way too expensive. And I'm surprised that Bibleworks -- which is much more dedicated to textual study than Libronix -- does not feature this apparatus!
    I would love to see this apparatus in Bibleworks. Maybe as a module? What do you think BW users?

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    Default Critical Apparatus

    Mike Bushell has tried to license this work, but the German Bible Society decided to go with Libronix. As I understand it they did it as a stand alone package. Due to licensing restrictions imposed by the German Bible Society. The folks at Logos contacted me regarding Tischendorf several years ago because of the limitations of being able to do anything with the data in the Critical apparatus in the Stuttgart Elektronic Texts. Bibleworks has been tirelessly trying to get this critical apparatus in their program. So far the German Bible Society has refused their request.

    Clint Yale
    Digital Tischendorf editor
    Bellingham, WA

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    Default Sesb

    Shalom,
    It is true that the only real attractive that the SESB has is its apparatus. I'm not familiar with it so I cannot estimate it. I only hear its praises so I assume that its somehow more useful than that of the BHS. One point concerning the BHS in BW: I find the font used leaves a lot to be desired. I thought at first that there was something wrong with the settings of my new flat faced monitor.

    Roundtree.

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    Default Apparatus & more

    The true benifit of SESB is not just that we now have the critical apparatus in a Bible software package, but also that the program offers the opportunity of conducting phrase- and clause-level searches (eg I could do a search for all the hebrew verbless clauses which have 'anoki as subject; in the past I would have to conduct a search on all cluases containing 'anoki and then sift out all the verbal clauses). The program exploits the database of the Werkgroep Informatica (see http://www.th.vu.nl/~wiweb/const/).

    However, I have heard reports that the logos software which underlies SESB has bug problems such that there are problems with the phrase and clause searches. Personally, I can't WAIT until BW also offers such searching ability, for this is really the next generation of possibilities for searching the biblical text. If only BW could also include the Werkgroep Informatica database. I hope they can in the future.

    David Kummerow.
    Last edited by David Kummerow; 11-28-2004 at 11:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundtree
    ...One point concerning the BHS in BW: I find the font used leaves a lot to be desired. I thought at first that there was something wrong with the settings of my new flat faced monitor.

    Roundtree.
    Roundtree,
    What is the problem you are having with the font? The only font display issues we've had reported in the past were caused by the Windows XP font smoothing bug (fixed in SP1) or problems with video drivers. If you can give me the details I'll help you figure out the cause.
    Charlie Gibson
    BibleWorks Technical Support
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    Default Crispy clear letters

    Sorry not to have replied to your invitation to help. The clarity of the Hebrew font in BW6 is, on my PC, not good. The dalet looks like a resh and vice versa. If I am not familiar with a verbal root I can easily make a mistake. With other lettes the same is true, namely, the letters are not crisp. Take a look at Logos' BHS http://www.logos.com/hebrew/bhs and compare the font to that of BW6 for yourself.

    Roundtree.

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