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    Default Missing accent?

    Hi,

    Could it be that אֲ*ֽ֭דַבְּרָה in Job 7:11 in BW is missing the meteg accent? Can people read this? I think you might have to have a recent version of Uniscribe installed to do so. The text itself may be found here:

    http://users.ntplx.net/~kimball/Tanach/Tanach.xml

    BTW, this word is discussed in the SBL Hebrew font manual. I also can't figure out how to type this series of letters and accents with the BW font. Perhaps it can only be done with a unicode font?

    Anyone know?

    David.
    Last edited by David Kummerow; 06-23-2004 at 08:28 PM.

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    Default Not sure

    This may be over my head...I compared what BW displays with th printed BHS and a facsimile of the Leningrad Codex and I do not see the accents as displayed on http://users.ntplx.net/~kimball/Tanach/Job.xml#Job.7:11

    I am not sure where those are coming from...

    I anyone knows more about this, I would be very interested in learning.
    Joe Fleener

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    Psalm 46:11
    `#r<a'(B' ~Wra' ~yIAGB; ~Wra' ~yhi_l{a/ ykinOa'-yKi W[d>W WPr>h;

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    Dear Joe,
    A hint that may help sending Hebrew and Greek text by Email, use rich text format, then we can read your message.
    Regards David.

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    The emails you receive are not sent by the individual who posts to the forum, but they are generated by the forum and sent to everyone who subscribes to that tread.

    If you are not seeing the Greek and Hebrew font displayed on your screen when viewing the forum pages, then your BibleWorks fonts must not be installed. You can reinstall them via the Windows Control Panel.

    However, with that said, I know of some people who have still had problems with Internet Explorer.

    Anyway, Rich Text will not help here, nor Unicode, etc.
    Joe Fleener

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    Psalm 46:11
    `#r<a'(B' ~Wra' ~yIAGB; ~Wra' ~yhi_l{a/ ykinOa'-yKi W[d>W WPr>h;

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    Hi Joe,

    My printed 5th edition of BHS shows the meteg accent as on the website. Perhaps it's been updated in editions?

    If the accent does appear, can it then be written with the BW font?

    David.


    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Fleener
    This may be over my head...I compared what BW displays with th printed BHS and a facsimile of the Leningrad Codex and I do not see the accents as displayed on http://users.ntplx.net/~kimball/Tanach/Job.xml#Job.7:11

    I am not sure where those are coming from...

    I anyone knows more about this, I would be very interested in learning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Kummerow
    Hi Joe,

    My printed 5th edition of BHS shows the meteg accent as on the website. Perhaps it's been updated in editions?

    If the accent does appear, can it then be written with the BW font?

    David.
    Hi David,

    What version of BW do you have? (6.0)

    If so (I think this is the same or at least real close in 5.0):

    1. Go to tools - font maps (BTW I think the name of this menu option ought to be changed to be consitent with the button on the tool bar )

    2. Choose Hebrew from the drop down list.

    3. Click on Keymap Tables.

    I looked all though the key map and I don't see what you need there. If you do let me know.

    If not, send a message to support@bibleworks.com with a link to this thread to make sure the see that this is needed.
    Joe Fleener

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    Psalm 46:11
    `#r<a'(B' ~Wra' ~yIAGB; ~Wra' ~yhi_l{a/ ykinOa'-yKi W[d>W WPr>h;

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    Yes, Joe, I have v.6. Perhaps the problem is that to represent this you would need a whole new combined character in a non-unicode font. Perhaps it's just been decided to leave it out.

    Don't know: I'll give support an email.

    Regards,

    david.
    Last edited by David Kummerow; 06-26-2004 at 01:39 AM.

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    Default typing the metheg

    You can type
    hr'B.d;a](
    can be typed by the sequence (a]d;B.r'h
    the trick is typing the metheg on the left parenthesis first
    Skip
    SkipB

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    Hi Skip,

    Please note carefully the difference betweeen
    אֲ*ֽ֭ד


    and da]( Note how the positioning of the meteg is incorrect (cf BHS) and also it fails to encode the dehi accent entirely (at least I can't seem to get it when I type the sequence (a]d;B.r'h

    Thanks,

    David.

    Quote Originally Posted by SkipB
    You can type
    hr'B.d;a](
    can be typed by the sequence (a]d;B.r'h
    the trick is typing the metheg on the left parenthesis first
    Skip
    Last edited by David Kummerow; 06-26-2004 at 01:42 AM.

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    I suspect we are seeing very different things. When I look at the web site or your post, I see the metheg in the middle of an extra space? Kind of
    like:
    hr"B.d: **a*] yPi
    I don't have any printed version at home here that looks like this.
    But after reading the manual for SBL fonts, Uniscribe apparently can place the metheg between the schwea and the pathaq all properly placed under the aleph. This is a very hard sequence to reproduce in Biblworks. When I try I end up with extra space (kind of the way I see your posts):
    hr"B.d; :a)> yPi.
    Bibleworks doesn't seem to have a left shifted pathaq so you end up with too much space between the aleph and daleth. Actually I thought your original post was a spacing problem akin to this.
    I don't have any suggestions.
    SkipB

    "Ambitious to be well-pleasing unto him"
    RJ Blackburn
    Reformed Episcopal Seminary

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