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    Default Comparing mss in the CNTTS apparatus?

    Hello all,

    I'm trying to see if it's possible to compare variants specific to a group of mss, that I can also compare against NA27, i.e., 1) variants that are only found in p46 B D F G, and 2) variants that are found in only these mss and that that are not retained in NA27.

    It seems like I should be able to do it using the CNTTS apparatus, but I'm having trouble figuring it all out. If anyone could give me some pointers, I would be grateful.

    Regards,

    Donald Cobb
    Aix-en-Provence, France

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Cobb View Post
    I'm trying to see if it's possible to compare variants specific to a group of mss, that I can also compare against NA27, i.e., 1) variants that are only found in p46 B D F G, and 2) variants that are found in only these mss and that that are not retained in NA27.

    It seems like I should be able to do it using the CNTTS apparatus, but I'm having trouble figuring it all out. If anyone could give me some pointers, I would be grateful.
    I'm not sure exactly what you want to do, so I'll make some observations and comments (based on my incomplete understanding of BW/CNTTS) that I hope will be helpful.

    The BW CNTTS apparatus is presented in 3 forms, each of them having features that neither of the others do. See the 11 minute video on CNTTS for an overview: summary (help / How-to-Videos / How to Use Study Tools in BibleWorks / Comparing Versions and Manuscripts / How to Use the CNTTS Apparatus).
    The free-standing form is specially valuable for its "Introduction and Key" which gives a good explanation of the codes used, and the "MSS Key"

    For searches you must use the Search form of CNTTS.
    Concerning the codes:
    The Variation Type can be misleading. "S", which is called "Significant" always refers to the base variant -- the one in NA27.
    The same field is also called "Major Variations", and its values seem to flag significant variations from the base. For finding the major differences from NA27 I would suggest looking for A M R T in the "VU/MV type" box of the Search window.
    The "Var. code" box uses a field that is used as a sequencing field -- it gives information, but is less useful for searching, since you cannot specify the range you want, and checking each possible value is quite tedious.

    If you are willing to accept CNTTS's judgement on what are significant variants, the only fields on the search window you need set are the "VU/MV type" and the "MS".

    All searches in CNTTS are OR searches. Thus, A M R T in VU/MV will pick up all of the major kinds of variants.

    Each major manuscript has a number of codes. For example, P46 has 8 codes,
    P46
    P46*
    P46*vid
    P46c1
    P46c2
    P46c
    P46cvid
    P46vid
    This is one reason you need to understand the codes, to help decide which ones to include in you search. (Hold Ctrl key down while selecting the 2nd through n Mss codes, or for a range select the first, then Shift select the last)

    To do an AND search of manuscripts (which variants appear in several manuscripts) you need to do the search first on one (eg. P46, Pc, P*, etc.), with options:
    "Search entire apparatus" and
    "Replace results list with search results".
    Then change the manuscript code to the next one (eg. B, Bc, B*, etc.) with options:
    "Search previous results list" and
    "Replace results list with search results".
    This will give you the variants that are shared by the two mss.
    And you can go on and see what a third shares with the previous two.

    I tried searching for P46 (all 8 varieties of P46) for A M R T variants, and found 1021.
    I then searched those 1021 variants for B (all 7 varieties of B) and found 112.

    I know I've rambled on, but hope it is of some use to you.

    --Jim
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    Thank you Jim, that helps. I'm trying to test the oft stated observation that P46 and B share certain characteristics with the so-called "Western" texts such as D F and G. So I'm interested in seeing which variants p46 B D F and G have, particularly when they contrast with other major mss (i.e., Sin, A C) and when they go against NA27.

    Comparing p46 and B is helpful. That gives me an initial point of comparison. I have to admit that I'm not quite sure of the method to adopt; perhaps the best would be to compare D and NA27 in the CNTTS apparatus, taking D as the standard for "Western" readings in Paul. Or, maybe better, Sin. and D, then comparing D's variants against B. Any ideas are welcome!

    Thanks at any rate. Your explanations give me something more to go on than what I found in the manual and the video.

    Regards,

    Don Cobb

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