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    Default searching for 1st singular cohortatives

    I'm trying to running a search in WTM for the 1st singular cohortatives in the Psalms.

    Could you help me refine my search code?

    At first I thought this was it:

    '*@v?i1cs+S????J?C*

    But this returns hits such as the verbs eqra' in Psalm 3:5, or emmot in Psalm 10:6. Those appear to be normal imperfect verbs, not imperfect cohortatives.

    Any guidance? Thanks very much.

    Dan Witte

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    A couple of things jump out at me. First, the capital "S" indicates that you want a pronominal suffix. Based on what you said you were searching for, I don't think you do. Also, the asterisk after the cohortative "C" will bring up hits classified as cohortative in meaning even if they are not cohortative in form, and I'm not sure if you want that. That said, I have no idea why those two hits are coming up in Psalms 3 and 10. You might try tweaking those two things, but I don't know that it will solve your problem.
    καὶ ὑπὲρ πάντων ἀπέθανεν ἵνα οἱ ζῶντες μηκέτι ἑαυτοῖς ζῶσιν, ἀλλὰ τῷ ὑπὲρ αὐτῶν ἀποθανόντι καὶ ἐγερθέντι.

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    Default Jussive tag

    Dan, when you specify J? it will also find Jx which means NOT jussive. The morph tags are fixed field so all verbs have a jussive code. Non jussive verbs just have a Jx placeholder. What you want is Jf or Jb or Jm or a combination like J[bf].

    Mike

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Witte View Post
    I'm trying to running a search in WTM for the 1st singular cohortatives in the Psalms.

    Could you help me refine my search code?

    At first I thought this was it:

    '*@v?i1cs+S????J?C*

    But this returns hits such as the verbs eqra' in Psalm 3:5, or emmot in Psalm 10:6. Those appear to be normal imperfect verbs, not imperfect cohortatives.

    Any guidance? Thanks very much.

    Dan Witte

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    Thanks much, gentlemen.

    I revised to '*@v?i1cs+S????JxC[bf]*

    I think I have it now (122 hits in the Psalms), but I'd still be grateful if you or others see any way to improve this search. Thanks again.

    Dan Witte

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    I don't do this type of search very often, so it's interesting to learn from reading this thread. I tried copying the search string '*@v?i1cs+S????JxC[bf]* and pasting it into the Command Line, with the search version set to WTM and the search limited to Psalms. I got the error message "Could not find the verse reference "'*@v?i1cs+S???" in the current search version." It seems to think this is a verse search, for one thing, and it truncates the pasted search string. When I type in the search string, though, it works fine, and produces 122 results. So does this kind of pasting not work on the Command Line?
    David Rensberger
    Atlanta, Georgia

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidR View Post
    I don't do this type of search very often, so it's interesting to learn from reading this thread. I tried copying the search string '*@v?i1cs+S????JxC[bf]* and pasting it into the Command Line, with the search version set to WTM and the search limited to Psalms. I got the error message "Could not find the verse reference "'*@v?i1cs+S???" in the current search version." It seems to think this is a verse search, for one thing, and it truncates the pasted search string. When I type in the search string, though, it works fine, and produces 122 results. So does this kind of pasting not work on the Command Line?
    Pasting in a search should work, but be sure you type a period first, so that BW knows to search for a word, not for a Bible reference.
    Mark Eddy

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    Well, the pasted search string starts with ', which ought to signal that it's not a verse reference. I tried pasting it in and replacing the ' with . but I still got the same error. Perhaps I'm not quite understanding the process.
    David Rensberger
    Atlanta, Georgia

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