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    IIRC, in the past BW has stated that it has not developed its software for Mac because of a non-compete clause with other Bible software makers (I assumed this meant Oak Tree Software, i.e., Accordance Bible Software). However, in light of Accordance now bringing its software to Windows in 2013, is it possible/probable that BibleWorks will develop its software for Macs?

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    Interesting. I wasn't aware of this until just now. I find it odd that such a "Macintosh purist" company would do this, but I suppose profit is more important than platform loyalty. Why now? Macintosh market share is higher than ever, and Windows has been in a slow decline or plateau for a few years. I'm assuming it has something to do with Windows 8.

    To my understanding, Bibleworks has never developed a Mac version of their software because Macintosh already has good companies that develop legitimate and quality Bible software. Accordance coming to the PC doesn't change that fact. Bibleworks has never been a super competitive company that plays the same marketing and business tricks typical American companies do. So, I wouldn't get your hopes up about it. Bibleworks is a small company and does not have the staff to take on such a large project. It makes more sense to have their staff making their Windows product even better. Since Accordance is coming to the PC, Bibleworks will now need to work that much harder to set their software apart from the rest in terms of features, affordability, and ease of use. It has always excelled in these, but there's always room for improvement. Bibleworks is the primary reason I have not moved from Windows to Mac. I have held out for a while and hope Bibleworks on Windows 8 does not disappoint. Consistent with Windows 8 in general, Bibleworks needs to work on becoming more mobile so people can use it easily on laptops, desktops, tablets, and phones. It would be nice to see a Windows Phone 8 app for Bibleworks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soxfan23 View Post
    Interesting. I wasn't aware of this until just now. I find it odd that such a "Macintosh purist" company would do this, but I suppose profit is more important than platform loyalty. Why now? Macintosh market share is higher than ever, and Windows has been in a slow decline or plateau for a few years. I'm assuming it has something to do with Windows 8.

    To my understanding, Bibleworks has never developed a Mac version of their software because Macintosh already has good companies that develop legitimate and quality Bible software. Accordance coming to the PC doesn't change that fact. Bibleworks has never been a super competitive company that plays the same marketing and business tricks typical American companies do. So, I wouldn't get your hopes up about it. Bibleworks is a small company and does not have the staff to take on such a large project. It makes more sense to have their staff making their Windows product even better. Since Accordance is coming to the PC, Bibleworks will now need to work that much harder to set their software apart from the rest in terms of features, affordability, and ease of use. It has always excelled in these, but there's always room for improvement. Bibleworks is the primary reason I have not moved from Windows to Mac. I have held out for a while and hope Bibleworks on Windows 8 does not disappoint. Consistent with Windows 8 in general, Bibleworks needs to work on becoming more mobile so people can use it easily on laptops, desktops, tablets, and phones. It would be nice to see a Windows Phone 8 app for Bibleworks.
    You got it pretty much correct. We entered the Windows market purely because we felt that there was a need to be met there. We saw no need to go to the Mac platform because the needs were being met nicely on that platform by another company. And we had no desire to hurt brothers who were doing a good job and serving the church. We have never had much of a desire to build a software empire. We saw a need for professional quality Bible software offered at an affordable price. We also saw a need for a product that provides a complete solution for exegetical software needs without trying to drag people into the electronic book frenzy. The electronic book industry is largely a scam, in my opinion at least. The entrance of more companies into the PC market is a direct result of one large company trying to dominate every corner of the Bible Software market. It has ultimately driven other companies to try to become like that big company. This is not large market and in the end many of these companies will go under. That is part of the plan. But what happens to the DRM protected, non-transferrable electronic libraries that users have built? In my opinion the industry as a whole does not have the interests of the end-user in mind. We are trying very hard to stay out of the battle. We believe that we offer the best value and the best exegetical software available anywhere and we will try to keep producing that for as long as enough users want it to keep us in business. Lord willing.

    With regard to the Mac market, we have been working with CodeWeavers to produce a new version of Crossover for BibleWorks that will solve most of the problems associated with that solution. It should be released soon. We have no current plans to produce a native Mac version of BibleWorks, though the recent announcement that prompted this thread frees us up from any qualms that we formerly had about doing so. We will continue to consider the possibility and it is not off the table by any means.

    We are very excited about recent moves by Microsoft revolving around the release of Windows 8. BibleWorks runs very well on the Samsung Windows 8 pad, which is sort of a prototype of things to come. The ARM tablets don't excite me very much. They have limited capabilities and are burdened by the same proprietary constraints as all the Apple stuff. Apps have to be purchased directly from Microsoft. I hope it fails. But the intel based pads are really cool. We are working now on making BibleWorks work well on the intel touch pads and it all looks very good. I can't wait to get my hands on a Microsoft Surface pad (in the intel flavor). I believe they will be available in November.

    God bless and thanks to all our faithful users,
    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soxfan23 View Post
    Since Accordance is coming to the PC, Bibleworks will now need to work that much harder to set their software apart from the rest in terms of features, affordability, and ease of use. It has always excelled in these, but there's always room for improvement.
    I agree with you Soxfan,

    In terms of affordability, BibleWorks is still far ahead of the other big two. Yes, you can get the other two programs in cheaper versions but they come with far less in the way of original language tagged texts and exegetical tools than BibleWorks does. You, can purchase texts sepeartly for the other two, but that soon get's to be more expensive than BibleWorks base price. So, I am not sure that BibleWorks can improve in regards to affordability, I can't even imagine how they included all that they do for such a low price!

    Yeah, BibleWorks focus, integrity, reliable e-texts, and it's price alone is enough to convince and lure scholars, exegetes, and any-other kind of Students of God's word but then again those types are probably already using BibleWorks!


    However, I would like see BibleWorks improve in terms of it's GUI and aesthetics. Although, BibleWorks is highly configurable it's windows aren't completely flexible. I'd like to be able to move the search window to another location or even close it all together. For, readability, it would be nice to be able to change the background of the browse window and minimize the vertical scroll bars on the windows or least give them a different look. I think I heard or read somewhere that the GSE was going to be given a new look?

    Anyway all of that is superficial I know and function is more important than form, and in terms of function I'm really fond of BibleWorks.

    Grace and Peace and Keep up the Good Work BibleWorks!
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    BibleWorks has not yet been surpassed in the "more for less" market of Bible software. Comparing BW with the comparable "original language" packages in any of the competitors will show you exactly why BibleWorks has a winning future. The other companies do a good job of filling the "We want more resources" itch, but they can only sustain that at a high cost. I'm not sure BibleWorks has ever seen itself as competing in that market, even though many might want them to. I consider it amazing that BibleWorks is able to put just about every English version of the Bible I could want, a vast number of Greek versions, the Hebrew and Aramaic texts, Josephus, Philo and the Apostolic Fathers, Pseudepigrapha and still manage to charge less than $500. If BibleWorks were not around I would be a much poorer student.
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    Just my two cents worth.

    Personally, I greatly appreciate the marketing integrity BibleWorks has shown throughout the years, especially when compared with it's biggest competitor ('nuff said). I can also understand that, up to the recent past, BibleWorks has not wanted to impinge on Mac territory. However, given the fact that the other major Bible works programs are now usable on the two platforms, I certainly don't think BibleWorks should (or can) any longer make that an ethical argument for remaining "loyal" to a PC-only platform. Dare I say that it is more akin to something like, "We don't want to switch our loading format from floppy disks to DVDs, because other people are already doing that."?

    I've been using and appreciating BibleWorks for over 16 years now, but have had increasing frustrations with it since moving over to Mac, 2-3 years ago. (something I absolutely do not regret!) I WON'T change over to another Bible program, mainly because the choice, as I see it, is between 1) paying the equivalent of another Mac to get (more or less) what you need, and 2) buying into a company that drowns you with advertising for a ton of material you don't really need and for which they themselves don't really believe the usefulness (and, in the end, paying almost as much as you would if you bought that other companies product!).

    Having said that, though, the solutions on offer for using BW on Mac are very far from perfect. I'm currently using BW9 with Parallel and Crossover. BW in Parallels remains significantly slower than in a native PC environment. Crossover is incomparably more rapid, BUT it's only about 80% functional for the moment. It's certainly not seamless, that's the least one can say. In addition to functionality, the esthetics remain pretty amateurish. There has been the promise of tweaking things to make it completely compatible, but I bought Crossover back in March and there have been absolutely no improvements since (despite suggestions sent both to BW and Crossover). I relish the hope that there will be significant changes for the better in the coming months, as mentioned in the last post.

    It has been said that one of the reasons for not wanting to make a Mac-compatible version is that it would increase prices. Quite honestly, I would not cringe at paying $50 to $75 more for a native Mac version. I've already invested more than that in trying to get a satisfying setup on my Mac. Just to buy Crossover costs around $50, so why not consider making a native version of BW for Mac with a lightly higher price tag? I personally think it would be the long-term solution for the many Mac users out there, and a wise move for BibleWorks, especially in the rapidly evolving world of technology.

    Once again, I remain deeply appreciative of BibleWorks. BW9, in particular, is a wonderful tool and, quite frankly, a gift to Christ's Church. There's scarcely a day I don't use it. May it continue to be a blessing in service to God's Kingdom for many, many years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Cobb View Post
    Just my two cents worth.

    Personally, I greatly appreciate the marketing integrity BibleWorks has shown throughout the years, especially when compared with it's biggest competitor ('nuff said). I can also understand that, up to the recent past, BibleWorks has not wanted to impinge on Mac territory. However, given the fact that the other major Bible works programs are now usable on the two platforms, I certainly don't think BibleWorks should (or can) any longer make that an ethical argument for remaining "loyal" to a PC-only platform. Dare I say that it is more akin to something like, "We don't want to switch our loading format from floppy disks to DVDs, because other people are already doing that."?

    I've been using and appreciating BibleWorks for over 16 years now, but have had increasing frustrations with it since moving over to Mac, 2-3 years ago. (something I absolutely do not regret!) I WON'T change over to another Bible program, mainly because the choice, as I see it, is between 1) paying the equivalent of another Mac to get (more or less) what you need, and 2) buying into a company that drowns you with advertising for a ton of material you don't really need and for which they themselves don't really believe the usefulness (and, in the end, paying almost as much as you would if you bought that other companies product!).

    Having said that, though, the solutions on offer for using BW on Mac are very far from perfect. I'm currently using BW9 with Parallel and Crossover. BW in Parallels remains significantly slower than in a native PC environment. Crossover is incomparably more rapid, BUT it's only about 80% functional for the moment. It's certainly not seamless, that's the least one can say. In addition to functionality, the esthetics remain pretty amateurish. There has been the promise of tweaking things to make it completely compatible, but I bought Crossover back in March and there have been absolutely no improvements since (despite suggestions sent both to BW and Crossover). I relish the hope that there will be significant changes for the better in the coming months, as mentioned in the last post.

    It has been said that one of the reasons for not wanting to make a Mac-compatible version is that it would increase prices. Quite honestly, I would not cringe at paying $50 to $75 more for a native Mac version. I've already invested more than that in trying to get a satisfying setup on my Mac. Just to buy Crossover costs around $50, so why not consider making a native version of BW for Mac with a lightly higher price tag? I personally think it would be the long-term solution for the many Mac users out there, and a wise move for BibleWorks, especially in the rapidly evolving world of technology.

    Once again, I remain deeply appreciative of BibleWorks. BW9, in particular, is a wonderful tool and, quite frankly, a gift to Christ's Church. There's scarcely a day I don't use it. May it continue to be a blessing in service to God's Kingdom for many, many years to come.

    Donald Cobb
    Aix-en-Provence, France
    Donald,

    We appreciate the input and take it seriously. The decision about whether or not to port to Mac is on the table and being considered. It is not a small undertaking. BibleWorks has more than a million lines of code and we have a small staff. We want to see how a few things pan out before taking such a large step. We want to see how Windows 8 is received and if it reverses the tide of people moving to Macs. We have been working with Windows 8 for a while and I personally love it, both on the desktop and the touch enabled pads. The only thing I would change for desktop use is the missing Start button, but there is a freeware open source option that puts it back. So we are happy campers.

    We also want to see what impact increased competition has on us. We know it will hurt. We just don't know how much. And thirdly we want to give the emulator option a bit more time. We have paid the Crossover people to address most of the functionality problems with BibleWorks and those changes should be available very soon. We are committed to making this work and we will support other options for people who require more than 99% functionality. When the new Crossover release is available please let us know what you think.

    We appreciate everyone's patience. These are hard times for all of us economically and there are huge changes afoot in the computer software industry. The number of things in flux is bewildering. The best we can do is to pray for wisdom as we decide which things to do and which to pass by.

    God bless,
    Mike

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