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Thread: Link BW8 w/ Logos 4 TDNT?

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    Default Link BW8 w/ Logos 4 TDNT?

    Hi all

    I was happily linking to TDNT in Logos 3 via the external link manager from the instructions in this thread, but then I thought I'd take a look at Logos 4 and ... now my links won't work.

    The link will call Logos 4, but it won't work anymore. I saw something in another thread saying that Logos 4 links are problematic. Is that still true?

    It also appears that the link will only call Logos 4, not Logos 3 ... if I can't get the external link working in L4, does anyone know how to make it point to L3?

    Thanks!
    Maranatha!
    Don Johnson
    Pastor
    aaaaaGrace Baptist Church of Victoria
    aaaaaVictoria, BC
    Jeremiah 33.3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

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    Default replying to myself

    Well, doing a little digging, here is the BW link that used to launch TDNT in Logos 3 at the right word.

    libronixdls:macro|name=TextKeyLink|text=<dummy>|la ng=el|scheme=beta|res="TDNT"
    And this is how Logos 4 creates a URL to a specific word in TDNT (palaios)

    logosres:tdnt;ref=GreekStrongs.3819
    I am not sure if that might help anyone help me to get my launch tool working again, but here is an old style (Logos 3) link to an article in BibSac

    libronixdls:jump%7Cpos%3DLLS-AOL%253A716%253CDIV113%253E.5297.0%7Cref%3Dvp.131. 228%7Cres%3DLLS%253Ags_bsac_131
    And a Logos 4 link to the same article

    logosres:gs-bsac-131;ref=VolumeNumberPage.V_131,_N_523,_p_228
    So obviously there is quite a difference in the way these links are made.

    I'm just posting this here in case someone has a bit more understanding of how this works than me and can help me set up a new link launch in BW.

    Thanks!
    Last edited by Don Johnson; 08-09-2010 at 02:28 AM. Reason: formatting
    Maranatha!
    Don Johnson
    Pastor
    aaaaaGrace Baptist Church of Victoria
    aaaaaVictoria, BC
    Jeremiah 33.3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

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    Default talking to myself again!

    Just to update this thread, in case anyone is interested, I have been talking to some folks in the Logos forums and think I am making some progress... but no solution to my problem yet.

    I do have a work around, however.

    In the External Links Manager, there is a preset for Logos NA27 which calls the Nestle Aland 27 w/ Gramcord Greek New Testament in Logos. This was already in the External Links Manager when I installed BW, I think. (I know I didn't come up with it.)

    This link, when activated, brings up the correct passage in the NA 27 in Logos 4.

    From there I can right click the word I want and get to the Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains. The DBL has links to the appropriate TDNT entry.

    So... three or four clicks (depending on my right click context in NA 27) and I can get to the TDNT entry.

    I'm still puzzling away at it, trying to find the convenience of one click from BW to TDNT, but this will work for now.
    Maranatha!
    Don Johnson
    Pastor
    aaaaaGrace Baptist Church of Victoria
    aaaaaVictoria, BC
    Jeremiah 33.3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

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    Don, thanks for all this great conversation, even if it is to yourself! It is helpful.

    Any good swimming beaches near Victoria? Must be cold in the Pacific that far north, huh? Or is that eh?

    Irving
    The guy who led me to the Lord lives in the Vancouver area.

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    Default beaches

    Yes, that would be eh, eh?

    There are some lovely beaches part way up our Island, Vancouver Island in Parksville and Qualicum. The water is very shallow there, and goes out quite a way so in the summer it is fairly warm. The summer is a bit short, though. On the Pacific side, the beaches in Tofino are great also, but I get the impression they are colder. They also talk about an undertow, so be careful. Not much between us and Japan on that side.

    If I get more info on this issue, I'll pass it along. And of course, any geniuses (genii?) are welcome to help us all out.
    Maranatha!
    Don Johnson
    Pastor
    aaaaaGrace Baptist Church of Victoria
    aaaaaVictoria, BC
    Jeremiah 33.3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

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    Thanks Don. Yes, I have heard that Tofino is beautiful. I've never gotten off the mainland though. I've been to Grey Rocks. That was nice. In the Vancouver area, Granville Island is beautiful and very charming. Vancouver has some out of this world restaurants. Not to mention, probably the best fish and seafood anywhere.

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    Default back to the subject at hand

    I got a reply tonight from the Logos forums which included this information:

    Logos 4v1 creates links to headwords in TDNT, and the exact syntax depends on the selected index within TDNT. Some examples:


    Link1 = logosres:tdnt;ref=GreekStrongs.246;off=534
    Link2 = logosres:tdnt;hw=$CE$B1$CC$94$CE$BC$CE$B1$CF$81$CF $84$CE$B9$CC$81$CE$B1
    Link3 = logosres:tdnt;ref=TDNT.Vol._1,_Pg._267;off=1578
    Link4 = logosres:tdnt;ref=VolumePage.V_1,_p_267;off=1578


    For the example of Link2 above, I do not know what the hex-bytes are about. I do not know if they are some internal hash code for that resource, or if they are Unicode for the actual Greek Lemma. I have not attempted to see what if anything I get if I use pairs of hex codes and assume they might be Unicode characters. I expect someone will document or explore that one day. If its an internal raw code, then the only way to get a valid reference will be to have Logos4 create it for you. If its a "simple" mapping to Unicode of the lemma, then an external application or program script could, in principle, build such a link.
    I wonder if that information might help in enabling an external link via BW?


    Is it possible to turn the lemma BW currently exports into some kind of hex code that Logos4 would accept?


    Or alternatively is it possible to send a Strong's number from one of the English versions that have embedded Strong's numbers?
    Maranatha!
    Don Johnson
    Pastor
    aaaaaGrace Baptist Church of Victoria
    aaaaaVictoria, BC
    Jeremiah 33.3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

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    Default Additional observations

    I've read your thoughts here with interest. Also I've looked at the Logos forums as well. It appears that L4 uses UTF-8 codes.

    Your example of "Link2" above is a set of UTF-8 hex codes that correspond to each letter.

    I've been able to get it go directly to any word in the TDNT by manually coding it, but it would appear that BW does not supply the correct kind of unicode when you select "Lemma." So far I've been unable to determine exactly what BW sends and have not been able to locate that in the help.

    So, it seems that the key to this working again is to have BW send the UTF-8 codes for the Lemma.

  9. #9

    Default Update

    After Eric's comment above, I sent in a request to BW about exporting Unicode. I received this reply:

    Dear Pastor Johnson,
    Thank you for writing and for your suggestion. The technology permitting, we want to convert to Unicode eventually, but we'll need to ask your patience, because we have a lengthy list of good suggestions to implement and not very many implementers.

    Please continue to submit suggestions. BibleWorks is what it is largely because of the excellent suggestions received from its customer community.

    Sincerely,
    Rick Gross
    General Manager
    BibleWorks, LLC
    After asking and receiving permission from Rick to post his reply here, he added:

    If any of those writing have further comments or suggestions, we’re happy to receive them as well.
    Thanks for the response Rick! I hope that this might be implemented soon, but in the meantime, we do have some ways to work around it.
    Maranatha!
    Don Johnson
    Pastor
    aaaaaGrace Baptist Church of Victoria
    aaaaaVictoria, BC
    Jeremiah 33.3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

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    Default Links to Logos now working

    In the latest release of Logos 4, the link issue was fixed. Just thought I would let those interested know...
    Maranatha!
    Don Johnson
    Pastor
    aaaaaGrace Baptist Church of Victoria
    aaaaaVictoria, BC
    Jeremiah 33.3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

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