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    Default typing Greek & Hebrew on this forum or anywhere else online...

    I noticed over at the "On Greek Text crit" thread that there has been some question about typing Greek and Hebrew on these forums (since the upgrade has dropped the ability to choose bwgrkl/bwhebb in the editor toolbar).

    One thing that you can do to continue using bwgrkl and bwhebb, is to 'hand code' the font into your post. To do this you first need to change the editor you're using to type your forum post (do this by clicking the little icon to the upper-right of the editor box:
    Then enter the 'coding' for whatever text you'd like in the bwgrkl/bwhebb as follows (using [ ] rather than < >).
    Code:
    <FONT="bwhebb">hwhy</FONT> = hwhy
    <FONT="bwgrkl">kurioj</FONT> = kurioj
    Note: In the above example, I had to substitute [ ] for < > in order to show what the code looks like. In the forum site, ALWAYS use [ ].

    An alternate way of doing things, handy for typing Greek/Hebrew Unicode on ANY website, is KeymanWeb. With KeymanWeb, you can create a bookmarklet for your web browser that creates a keyboard next to any text field that allows you to type (either with your mouse or on your keyboard) Unicode Greek and Hebrew.


    I typed the text below using the KeymanWeb bookmarklet:

    κυρίος / יהוה

    The KeymanWeb bookmarklet is free, and is available from the Keyman website. You can even get a javascript that you can install on your own website that will enable any visitor to use the keyboard (limitations apply for free use).

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    Thanks for that link, Jim. It looks pretty interesting.

    I have finally decided that if I want to type Hebrew in this forum, I just type it into Davka and then copy it with the Unicode option in Davka and it pastes perfectly into the box here, or anywhere else I've tried, for that matter.

    With the Greek, I just use the BW Editor and then copy/paste that here as well.

    Those methods are just easier for me. But as I said, the link you provided looks interesting. I played with for a few minutes, and now I'm going to go play with it some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelphos View Post
    Thanks for that link, Jim. It looks pretty interesting.

    I have finally decided that if I want to type Hebrew in this forum, I just type it into Davka and then copy it with the Unicode option in Davka and it pastes perfectly into the box here, or anywhere else I've tried, for that matter.

    With the Greek, I just use the BW Editor and then copy/paste that here as well.

    Those methods are just easier for me. But as I said, the link you provided looks interesting. I played with for a few minutes, and now I'm going to go play with it some more.
    Hey Scott, please tell me about the Unicode copy option in Davka. Is this something new? How do I use it? I've had DavkaWriter for years, but I have been under the impression that they've done very little with Unicode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ISalzman View Post
    ... I've had DavkaWriter for years, but I have been under the impression that they've done very little with Unicode.

    I'm not Scott, but I'll give this one a shot...

    Salzman If you have DavkaWriter Platinum 6 then you have some unicode options ready for use. Here is a short quote taken from their product website:

    "DavkaWriter can now copy text as unicode (both plain UTF-16 unicode text, and rtf with unicode), and export to unicode formats (UTF-16 unicode text files, and rtf with unicode). This allows sharing formatted Hebrew text in many unicode-aware programs.
    " (link)

    I usually don't do any importing or exporting of Hebrew with DavkaWriter, rather I simple copy the text in DavkaWriter and then paste it into E-mail or a post on the Bibleworks forum. It seems to automatically, past in unicode format at least in my installation it, does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkMitchell View Post


    I'm not Scott, but I'll give this one a shot...

    Salzman If you have DavkaWriter Platinum 6 then you have some unicode options ready for use. Here is a short quote taken from their product website:

    "DavkaWriter can now copy text as unicode (both plain UTF-16 unicode text, and rtf with unicode), and export to unicode formats (UTF-16 unicode text files, and rtf with unicode). This allows sharing formatted Hebrew text in many unicode-aware programs.
    " (link)

    I usually don't do any importing or exporting of Hebrew with DavkaWriter, rather I simple copy the text in DavkaWriter and then paste it into E-mail or a post on the Bibleworks forum. It seems to automatically, past in unicode format at least in my installation it, does.
    Thanks Brian. That must be new. I've got DavkaWriter Platinum 6. I don't think it's always had the ability to export as Unicode. Perhaps this capability came with a recent update? What version do you have, pray tell? (See 'Help' - 'About') Thanks.

    Irving

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    Choose Edit | Copying Is For...

    and then choose the Unicode option.

    The Hebrew in my signature below is copied directly from DavkaWriter.
    Last edited by Adelphos; 06-03-2010 at 09:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelphos View Post
    Choose Edit | Copying Is For...

    and then choose the Unicode option.

    The Hebrew in my signature below is copied directly from DavkaWriter.
    Thanks Scott. What version do you have? (See 'Help' - 'About')

    By the way, I was at Auschwitz about a week and a half ago.

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    I have Platinum 6, which appears to be the last serious program they wrote for Windows. Everything since then has been for Mac.

    Never been to Auschwitz, but I spent an entire day at Dachau once. It's a life-changing experience to be sure.

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    For those on limited funds:

    Microsoft Windows freely provides on-screen keyboards for both Windows XP (see here) or (here) and in Windows 7 (see here) one can simply touch type with their mouse cursor or finger if they have need too.

    And, let's not forget IME (link for 7 version) or (link XP version) with this tool one can quickly change one's input language so he/she can type in any language of his/her choice and it works great in conjunction with the On-screen keyboards Microsoft Windows provides in XP, Vista, and Windows 7.

    There are also Open Source Alternatives to commercial word processors:

    (1) Open Office (link)
    Can type in unicode Hebrew or Greek.
    (this program is popular in both Israel and Palestine, too)

    (2)Abiword(link)
    Also, types in unicode Hebrew or Greek

    And, last but not least!
    (3)The BibleWorks Editor
    It can type directly into Hebrew or Greek Unicode, as well as BW's own special fonts too.
    In Bible Works 7 the editor really improved a great deal , and now in version 8 it
    is almost a word processor in it's own right.

    Last edited by bkMitchell; 06-03-2010 at 09:44 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelphos View Post
    I have Platinum 6, which appears to be the last serious program they wrote for Windows. Everything since then has been for Mac.

    Never been to Auschwitz, but I spent an entire day at Dachau once. It's a life-changing experience to be sure.
    תּוֹדָה רַבּה, סכּוֹת


    Done with Davka. Not perfect though. I had to delete the qametz under the bet, since it wouldn't line up under the bet.

    By the way, one of the choices under 'Edit' - 'Copying is for' was for e-mail. When would I ever use that? Wouldn't Unicode work just as well for e-mail?

    Dachau is in Germany, isn't it? I don't believe Dachau was a death camp though. Auschwitz was the Nazis' premier and main death camp.

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