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    I noticed that Zondervan announced today it is retiring their Pradis software and is licensing their products to other Bible software companies. The only one they mentioned was Logos, which is more electronic-library based so is the most sufficient platform for the majority of their works.

    However, I was wondering if Bibleworks would be included in the "other" companies that they mentioned? Accordance already offers Zondervan products, so I don't see how they could be part of the "others." There are a few titles I believe that fit well in line with the Bibleworks philosophy, most notably works like NIDOTTE and NIDNTT. Most of the other works are standard books or commentaries, so I don't see BW being too interested in those. However, if NIDOTTE & NIDNTT were at the right price and tagged to the text, I just may consider purchasing them.

    Any rumors or news about this that I don't know about? Any other volumes/products you would like to see BW offer from Zondervan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soxfan23 View Post
    Any rumors or news about this that I don't know about? Any other volumes/products you would like to see BW offer from Zondervan?
    I have heard nothing, but I certainly hope it would be true that Zondervan's latest change of heart is one that is going to be open to all platforms rather than just licensing it to one. After that it's just a matter of pricing schemes for BW and them.

    Once again, it's just another sign of publishers still trying to figure out the e-publishing market. I am a little surprised Zondervan pulled the plug on Pradis. I hope people still get "credit" for using those resources in other formats, but obviously Zondervan is under no legal obligation to provide such a concession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Hanel View Post
    I have heard nothing, but I certainly hope it would be true that Zondervan's latest change of heart is one that is going to be open to all platforms rather than just licensing it to one. After that it's just a matter of pricing schemes for BW and them.

    Once again, it's just another sign of publishers still trying to figure out the e-publishing market. I am a little surprised Zondervan pulled the plug on Pradis. I hope people still get "credit" for using those resources in other formats, but obviously Zondervan is under no legal obligation to provide such a concession.
    Their press release (here) indicates that Logos is just one of others that they will license their products to. It also indicates that previous Pradis users will get discounts for their products on other platforms b/c they say they are working for a "smooth transition" for their customers and will provide discounts upon their release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soxfan23 View Post
    Their press release (here) indicates that Logos is just one of others that they will license their products to. It also indicates that previous Pradis users will get discounts for their products on other platforms b/c they say they are working for a "smooth transition" for their customers and will provide discounts upon their release.
    Yeah but unless that discount is free, you see the problem w the transfer process ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Hanel View Post
    Yeah but unless that discount is free, you see the problem w the transfer process ;-)
    I definitely see the problem with it. However, I completely understand why it wouldn't be "free" given that it is on a different platform with a different company. Their work for including it should be rewarded. So, I'm assuming Logos or whoever else gets a cut out of the profit for selling the works on their platform. Therefore, I would think the best way to resolve it would be to only make the customers pay for Logos' cut. This should keep it very cheap and keep people happy. If you have to pay $200 for the NIDOTTE regularly and someone already has it on Pradis, I don't see a problem with paying $20 to use it on Logos. Agreed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soxfan23 View Post
    I definitely see the problem with it. However, I completely understand why it wouldn't be "free" given that it is on a different platform with a different company. Their work for including it should be rewarded. So, I'm assuming Logos or whoever else gets a cut out of the profit for selling the works on their platform. Therefore, I would think the best way to resolve it would be to only make the customers pay for Logos' cut. This should keep it very cheap and keep people happy. If you have to pay $200 for the NIDOTTE regularly and someone already has it on Pradis, I don't see a problem with paying $20 to use it on Logos. Agreed?
    I have no strong opinion on it personally since I never owned Pradis. I might if I paid for the thing and had to pay for it again.

    My only point is just that philosophical one, that this e-publishing world can still be confusing, so be careful of your investment. Agreed?

    Bottom line, I hope you and the press release are right and more of these works become available in BibleWorks as well.
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    Zondervan will have to break habit if we're to see anything in BibleWorks from them, as profit margin is the only consideration Zondervan is ever interested in. I don't see BibleWorks charging for a Zondervan product unless it is an optional add-on, so either Zondervan will, as I said, have to break habit and offer whatever to BibleWorks for basically a song and dance, or BibleWorks will offer it -- if they offer it at all -- as an optional add-on. Not that I speak for BibleWorks, but going by their past behavior, I think those are the two likey scenarios if we are to see anything from Zondervan in BibleWorks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelphos View Post
    Zondervan will have to break habit if we're to see anything in BibleWorks from them, as profit margin is the only consideration Zondervan is ever interested in. I don't see BibleWorks charging for a Zondervan product unless it is an optional add-on, so either Zondervan will, as I said, have to break habit and offer whatever to BibleWorks for basically a song and dance, or BibleWorks will offer it -- if they offer it at all -- as an optional add-on. Not that I speak for BibleWorks, but going by their past behavior, I think those are the two likey scenarios if we are to see anything from Zondervan in BibleWorks.
    Well it's kind of a truism. Zondervan is a company, they have to be concerned about profits, it's just how companies work. This link does seem to indicate that this new openness may be a long-term development, i.e. not every Pradis book will be available electronically and they also will decide how to package together different books. So I would imagine this will be a slow rollout over time in order to create more sustained revenue flows. There are only so many people who are buying electronic products, you can expect to make more money off of them by releasing them in smaller doses over time rather than all at once. It's not devilish, but it is profit-oriented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Hanel View Post
    Well it's kind of a truism. Zondervan is a company, they have to be concerned about profits, it's just how companies work. This link does seem to indicate that this new openness may be a long-term development, i.e. not every Pradis book will be available electronically and they also will decide how to package together different books. So I would imagine this will be a slow rollout over time in order to create more sustained revenue flows. There are only so many people who are buying electronic products, you can expect to make more money off of them by releasing them in smaller doses over time rather than all at once. It's not devilish, but it is profit-oriented.
    I don't have any problem with companies making money by selling Bible research tools. I do have a problem with making money off the actual text of Scripture, but that is another matter. We are on good terms with Zondervan and may be able to offer some of their items as addons. It is unlikely that they will permit anything to go into the base package though.

    The closing of Pradis just highlights something that I have said publicly many times. Electronic resources are volatile and short-lived. They are risky investments. Buy print resources first and then electronic. You will never regret the decision. Only buy electronic resources that you will use intensively enough to get your money's worth in a relatively short period of time. They can be fantastic tools. But don't become addicted to them and don't even think about getting rid of your print library. That's my advice, for what it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Hanel View Post
    Well it's kind of a truism. Zondervan is a company, they have to be concerned about profits, it's just how companies work.
    True, Zondervan is a company. But so is BibleWorks. The difference is that BibleWorks sees themselves as servants, while Zondervan sees itself as a publisher. It could also be said that publishing is a tough business these days, but once again, so is Bible software development.

    It would be nice if Zondervan were to make their electronic formats available cheaply, but I'm not betting that that will be the case.

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