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    Default Audio NT+LXX in KOINE pronounciation?

    Does anyone know of an audio NT or LXX in Koine pronounciation, like Jonathan Pennington's CD? I have NT in modern Greek but don't like it. The sounds are not the same, and in many cases the sound is important to getting doctrinal nuances from the text. While I can sound out the words myself, I have this horrible habit of mixing modern and ancient Greek pronounciation, so I'd like to get audio I could play in the background all day. Quickest way to learn any language is immersion. IMO, the language should be revived.

    Any ideas? THANK YOU for whatever advice or links you care to render.
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    I can't answer your quest for a koine speaking Bible. In part because the Erasmian vocalization you were likely taught (as was I) is according to some completely wrong.

    For some excellent reading on the topic of pronunciation I might suggest you read some of Randall Buth's work on pronunciation:
    http://www.biblicalulpan.org/pages/C...n%20(2008).pdf

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    You may want to give this a try for the NT http://www.christianbook.com/Christi...WW&view=covers

    I've never been able to find an LXX version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcblack View Post
    I can't answer your quest for a koine speaking Bible. In part because the Erasmian vocalization you were likely taught (as was I) is according to some completely wrong.

    For some excellent reading on the topic of pronunciation I might suggest you read some of Randall Buth's work on pronunciation:
    http://www.biblicalulpan.org/pages/C...n%20(2008).pdf
    Yeah, I just subscribed to B-greek yesterday AFTER making my post. I'm dying to talk about it, but need to listen more first. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCSaunders View Post
    You may want to give this a try for the NT http://www.christianbook.com/Christi...WW&view=covers

    I've never been able to find an LXX version.
    Yeah, I have that. Thank you.

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    From The Apostolic Bible Polyglot Folks - http://www.septuagint-apostolic-bible.com/index.htm

    1. Pronunciation Seminary - http://apostolicbible.com/seminars/p...ionseminar.mov (here they introduce their pronunciation POV)

    2. Chapter by Chapter Video Seminars - http://www.septuagint-apostolic-bibl...eoseminars.htm

    Marilyn Phemister's GNT MP3 Audio Files - These have been around for quite a while, so you are probably familiar with them.
    1. http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/gnt/home.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCSaunders View Post
    From The Apostolic Bible Polyglot Folks - http://www.septuagint-apostolic-bible.com/index.htm

    1. Pronunciation Seminary - http://apostolicbible.com/seminars/p...ionseminar.mov (here they introduce their pronunciation POV)

    2. Chapter by Chapter Video Seminars - http://www.septuagint-apostolic-bibl...eoseminars.htm

    Marilyn Phemister's GNT MP3 Audio Files - These have been around for quite a while, so you are probably familiar with them.
    1. http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/gnt/home.html
    Thank you so much!

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    Okay, did some checking on Greek transliteration of names in LXX versus the Hebrew in our beloved BibleWorks. Found out some interesting things:
    • Beta is often used for beth with and without dagesh, implying that in ancient times the beta was both a hard "b" and a "v";
    • gamma, same versus gimel with and without dagesh.
    • delta, same versus dalet with and without dagesh.
    • eta for tsere;
    • omicron for qibbuts;
    • upsilon is never transliterated for a "ee" sound, but instead, iota; upsilon seems to have no Hebrew equivalent on its own.
    Is it possible that the "Erasmus" pronunciation was derived from comparing LXX transliterations of the Hebrew?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainout View Post
    Does anyone know of an audio NT or LXX in Koine pronounciation
    This site -- http://www.greeklatinaudio.com/

    pronounces the NT in both Greek and Latin, and the Greek is what is considered modern/Koine Greek.

    IOW, you will find that native Greeks -- as well as philology and manuscript studies reveal -- will together maintain that modern pronunciation is virtually identical to Koine/Biblical pronunciation, and this of course includes whatever floating notion of an LXX might have existed during NT times.

    Although the pronunciations at the above cite are done by an Anglo, yet his modern/Koine biblical pronunciation is outstanding. Moreover, all of his files are free of charge.

    Naturally, a true native Greek, as well as those of us who are used to hearing true native Greeks speak, will be able to discern subtle differences between the slight Anglo intonations above and a true native Greek, but they are for the most part insignificant.

    Erasmian pronunciation has existed nowhere in the world except in Anglo seminaries. It is totally artificial, and it is also totally misleading, and even destructive overall, as pronunciation can actually have a lot to do in certain cases with the flow and context of the Greek language, or any language, for that matter.

    In any case, if you want an excellent resource for hearing Greek properly pronounced -- today as well as in biblical times -- then the above site will be of benefit to you.

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    Thank you, Adelphos!

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