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    Exclamation Hebrew Massorah

    This is a note especially for those Hebrew guys out there:

    I know many of the Hebrew specialists out there have been feeling down that there are not as many Hebrew resources as they would like. Well if that's you, this might be something you can help out with. Part of the way users can help each other out is through creating user add-on modules. I have been spending hundreds of hours the past few years producing Greek-related user modules because that's my primary interest. Others have done work which preceded my own and they helped create the first Apostolic Fathers module (in Greek and translation) before any other Bible program had even touched this.

    In the past many of these projects have been headed by one or two people, but there are some projects out there that require many more hands to make them possible. This is the project I am introducing now.

    Is there any support for a creation of Ginsburg's Massorah into a BibleWorks module? This would be a project that would take as many volunteers as possible in order to divide the workload (which would be rather impossible for one person). There are online PDF versions of the Ginsburg Massorah. The project would be to turn the PDFs into text files which would then be compiled into an user add-on module. If it were done in this form, all the information contained in the Massorah would be provided via the Resource Summary like any of the other Grammars or Lexicons (meaning verse references would work, etc.). This would be a massive project, but with a group of volunteers, it would be possible.

    Right now I am looking for feedback. Are there any of you Hebrew students out there who would be interested in making this happen? If there's not enough interest, it won't get done. Leave a note on the forums and let's see if we can't make this happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Hanel
    Right now I am looking for feedback. Are there any of you Hebrew students out there who would be interested in making this happen? If there's not enough interest, it won't get done. Leave a note on the forums and let's see if we can't make this happen.
    Like you said, it is a MASSIVE understaking, however, I would be willing to participate IF enough people sign on. Otherwise, the project would simply be too overwhelming.

    Also, if we're going to produce this for BibleWorks, then I think it only fair that the BW folks make themselves available to lend a hand with certain issues, such as perhaps writing an algorithim or two, if needed. We'll just have to flesh that out, but I do think an official BW hand would be necessary to make this project really work.

    So, count me in, at least tentatively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelphos
    Like you said, it is a MASSIVE understaking, however, I would be willing to participate IF enough people sign on. Otherwise, the project would simply be too overwhelming.

    Also, if we're going to produce this for BibleWorks, then I think it only fair that the BW folks make themselves available to lend a hand with certain issues, such as perhaps writing an algorithim or two, if needed. We'll just have to flesh that out, but I do think an official BW hand would be necessary to make this project really work.

    So, count me in, at least tentatively.
    I cannot speak for BW staff obviously, but it's also true there are some very computer savvy BW users out there who hopefully could lend out a hand in some nice computer-geek way. Anyway, the point for right now is seeing if there is human labor to do the work. This would not be a BW-sanctioned activity per-se. It will be a free module done by users, available for other users just like the others.

    Anyway, I surely don't have answers to these questions, but this is sure open for discussion by other users to see if this can be attempted. If it can't, it can't, no big deal, but it'd sure be cool if it could

    So if people know of ways to make this a more manageable project please add those thoughts here too! Every comment is welcome.
    Michael Hanel
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    Default Ginsburg's Massorah in BW, a brief demo

    This would be a taste of how this would work. Unzip the attached file and put it in your Bibleworks subdirectory called "databases" (by the way I know this works in BW7, I do not know if this works in earlier versions). Restart BW7. You will then notice the Massorah is available in your Resources column. Also whenever you hit a verse that is in the module, it will show up in the Resource Summary window. Check it out. Get excited and volunteer to help this out
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    Simply by glancing through a volume I have at least one idea how the project could be divided (note, no matter how you cut it, it will still be tedious).

    If there were a user (this one doesn't even have to be a hebrew student) who would follow an entry/page or two of the Massorah that person would type in verse references (translated into BW format (i.e. ditch the roman numerals, standardize book names)). This person would use this list s/he has typed to create a Verse list.

    A second user would then receive the verse list and then it's easy work to go from verse A to B to C, click, click click on the pre-loaded verse-list. This user's task would be to copy the equivalent of the Hebrew word recorded on the PDF into what will be the working text document for the Massorah. This way there is no typing of Hebrew required. It is simply copy Word from verse into text document.

    Note there would likely be a snag here or there (perhaps a word doesn't match up with the PDF or something). These would have to be resolved and could be marked such for a temporary duration.

    Then after this portion is done there would have to be more file-editing required on the back end to compile this.



    So anyway, that's my first rough draft of a game plan to work this puppy. Do those steps sound reasonable and/or achievable? Would any one else have better ideas/methods?
    Michael Hanel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Hanel View Post
    This would be a taste of how this would work. Unzip the attached file and put it in your Bibleworks subdirectory called "databases" (by the way I know this works in BW7, I do not know if this works in earlier versions). Restart BW7. You will then notice the Massorah is available in your Resources column. Also whenever you hit a verse that is in the module, it will show up in the Resource Summary window. Check it out. Get excited and volunteer to help this out
    I can think of no other work that would hold as much value to a Christian looking to deeply study God's Word than Ginsburg's collation of the Massorah. It is, quite literally, a fence to the Scriptures and is vastly important to anyone that cares about the preservation of our Father's Word and it's correct meaning; to both those teaching and those being taught. It is a superlative work that is underused due to it's limited availability in printed format (I am blessed to own it), and to have it in the premier Bible Study software would be like a crown jewel in Biblical works made available to Bibleworks users. It's inclusion in Bibleworks will be a blessing much greater than I believe that most people will fathom at first look. I consider the Massorah to be PART OF the Old Testament and this work should be a front burner consideration for those that are able to produce such things.

    Is any progress being made?

    The sample is of quite fine quality!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWMiles View Post

    Is any progress being made?
    To my knowledge nothing is being done on this particular project. The only other Hebrew language family project that has been brought up has been a Northwest Semitic one and info on that is here.
    Michael Hanel
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    MA Classics Washington University
    Unofficial BibleWorks Blog
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    I don't know if he would be willing to share it for this purpose, but MWMiles says that he has a printed copy of the Massorah.

    Quote Originally Posted by MWMiles View Post
    I can think of no other work that would hold as much value to a Christian looking to deeply study God's Word than Ginsburg's collation of the Massorah. It is, quite literally, a fence to the Scriptures and is vastly important to anyone that cares about the preservation of our Father's Word and it's correct meaning; to both those teaching and those being taught. It is a superlative work that is underused due to it's limited availability in printed format (I am blessed to own it), and to have it in the premier Bible Study software would be like a crown jewel in Biblical works made available to Bibleworks users. It's inclusion in Bibleworks will be a blessing much greater than I believe that most people will fathom at first look. I consider the Massorah to be PART OF the Old Testament and this work should be a front burner consideration for those that are able to produce such things.

    Is any progress being made?

    The sample is of quite fine quality!

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