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    Default Paragraphs?

    There are paragraphs indicated in my printed NASB, NIV and NKJ but they do not appear in the Bibleworks versions on my computer.
    Do I not have some option not turned on or are they not in the database?

    Thanks.

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    There are no paragraph markers in BW, nor to my knowledge any immediate plans to add them. When BW gets the text from the publishers it is without that stuff and so even if it were possible to add them, they would all have to be gone through by hand.
    Michael Hanel
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    Default paragraphs

    For those of us who do not own some of the print versions in BibleWorks, paragraph markers would be a great boon.

    David McKay
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    Talking Not just icing...

    I agree whole heartedly. It is inaccurate to represent a translation without paragraph or poetical markers. While the original text may have not had "paragraph marks" (it did not have chapters or verses either), the translators of various versions put a lot of thought into where they divided the flow of thought in Scripture. (Some gave more thought to it than others...I'd venture to guess.) I think that these paragraph markers are not just "icing on the cake" but actually a part of the "cake" of translation.
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    Thumbs up And the other guys have them...

    I agree!

    Paragraph breaks and poetry formatting in English versions and italics in the Greek for direct quotations from the OT are wonderful features from the paper versions that we currently have to live without in BW.

    I wonder whether the texts arrive without paragraph breaks though, since several competing products have them. (I know they're available in NET.) We've been told in the past that BibleWorks was intially designed to work with one verse at a time. In that case, a paragraph mark would almost never be useful. Maybe that's why they're not there? It would definitely be one more step toward making verse range and browse modes more useful.

    I'm pretty happy with BW 6 (especially with the settign to remember verse ranges), but I would upgrade to BW 7 for paragraph and poetry formatting. (Italics in Greek would make me really happy! )

    Steve
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    Default Paragraphs

    Quote Originally Posted by pastor-steve
    I wonder whether the texts arrive without paragraph breaks though, since several competing products have them.
    The answer is yes and no. I have seen quite a few raw texts provided by different publishers, and some Bibles include paragraph information, while others do not. Generally speaking, many of the newer versions do.

    Hope this helps.

    Rubn Gmez

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    I quite agree, and am pleasantly surprised at how much other agreement you've received. I might have expected a dozen or two replies telling you that paragraph and poetry marks are for sissies, BW is perfect just as it is, and it's asking too much to asking busy programmers to change it. I might also have expected suggestions that you should just look them all up and put them in the text editor... when it isn't crashing. It's nice that we have such relative unanimity on this.

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    Default Miss the paragraph

    Like everyone else, I miss the paragraph markings. Perhaps they were not as useful in the original languages, but they are essential for understanding in English. Imagine doing away with several letters of an ancient language or taking away one or two verb tenses and see how the language would be crippled. Losing paragraph and poetry divisions in English cripples our language in the same way.

    Studying a passage verse by verse is helpful, but passages reveal their true meaning when seen in complete context. Actually, the better one can grasp the whole context of the passage the better one really understands the particular verse. Not having these divisions in the English translations hinders the contextual understanding of the passage. The other Bible program I use keeps the formating supplied by the different versions, and you can even choose to copy them with or without formating. I assume they come with the formating from the publishers since the divisions are the same as they are in my print versions. Perhaps BW will consider adding the formating in BW7.

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    This is a great idea.

    Another idea: I recently got a Chronological Bible and one thing I really like is that they group the text in small sections based on theme/content. It breaks the text up into logical sub-chapters. I know BW already has the outline/headings, maybe this could be used to browse the chunks of text it represents?

    Also, on the Poetry: I would love a Bible that breaks up the chiastic structure of the text.

    Actually a Bible, a print one, that was totally dedicated to form would be nice. A study Bible, but text-oriented. e.g. Genesis 1 can be broken up a couple ways. First there is some basic poetry here and there. On the side of form structure you have 3 days of forming and 3 days of filling. You also have the covenant structure (Preamble, Historical Prologue, Stipulations, Blessings/Cursings, Witnesses, statement concerning the document) which Gen 1-2 seems to follow. Having this information in a text would be nice; and with the main text formatted in regards to chiastic structure or the like.

    A Bible that even just did the chiastic / poetic structure without the additional notes would be great. The parallelism of the Bible is pretty amazing--and informative--at times. A good example of Chiasmus is in Amos 9:1-4

    Code:
     
    And I saw Yahweh standing by the alter,
    And he said,
     
    A  Strike the tops of the pillars so that the thresholds shake.
       Bring them down on the heads of all the people;
     
       B  those who are left I will kill with the sword.
     
          C  Not one will get away,
             none will escape.
     
             D  Though they dig down to the depths of the grave,
                from there my hand will take them.
     
                E  Though they climb up to the heavens,
                   from there I will bring them down.
     
                E' Though they hide themselves on the top of Carmel,
                   there I will hunt them down and seize them.
     
             D' Though they hide from me at the bottom of the sea,
                there I will command the serpent to bite them.
     
          C' Though they are driven into exile by their enemies,
     
       B' there I will command the sword to slay them.
     
    A' I will fix my eyes upon them for evil and not for good."
    It may be very difficult to get something like this into BibleWorks because there are no Bibles that do this (to my knowledge... if there are let me know!). This information is usually tucked away in an academic commentary or books specializing on Biblical Poetry. Which is too bad IMO as it makes the poetry very enjoyable!

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    Default Structure of Text

    It would be very helpful to have the text grouped like your Chronological Bible or to be able to group the text according to its chaistic structure. I suppose we could do that ourselves in the notes section of the text, but to be able to turn those things on and off, perhaps in a separate, maybe even a floating, results window would be so helpful. It could be set up by the programer according to a particular design, but with the ability to edit it like the timeline.

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