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NumberMan™
02-19-2014, 10:35 AM
I'm using as example ".01241" to pull up strongs Hebrew 1241 but I'm getting inaccurate results showing up such as the wrong number

what is the exact search string to find strongs Hebrew numbers?

thanks for help I'm still learning how to use Bibleworks

Jim Wert
02-19-2014, 05:44 PM
When I used ".01241" I got the right verses, but the highlighting was consistently wrong.
When I used ".*@01241" I got the same verses, but with correct highlighting.

If you haven't yet done do, I suggest you take a look at BW help "The Command Line - Introduction" (Section 34 in BW9), subsection "Looking up Strong's Numbers Codes". It shows how to do some neat things with Strong's numbers.

Tony B
02-19-2014, 05:47 PM
I tried your search, which is correct if using the NAS, but got very strange words highlighted in the search window. I checked many of the verses and each verse I selected in the search window showed 01241 in the NAS with Strong's numbers turned on in the Browse window. BW staff will have to give an answer about the strange highlighting.

Got beat to the answer by 3 min.

Jim Wert
02-19-2014, 08:28 PM
I was using KJV; when I used NAU and NAS I got the same results --
the correct verses with incorrect highlighting using just the Strong's number;
the correct verses with correct highlighting using "*@" before the Strong's number.

I am using BW9, version 9.0.12.509, in Windows 7.

If you have the same version, it may be that your ini file is corrupted -- that seems to be the cause of a lot of problems.

Tony B
02-20-2014, 08:56 AM
When I use .*@01241 with NAS everything works correct.

NumberMan™
02-20-2014, 10:05 AM
Thanks for the help I was getting odd highlighting too

I'll use ".*@" for the search string

NumberMan™
02-20-2014, 11:25 AM
These Hebrew searches seem to be missing can anyone verify:


.*@01273
.*@01274
.*@01286
.*@01304
.*@01307


I noticed when I went the the Greek strong numbers there were quite a few missing too

Jim Wert
02-20-2014, 01:23 PM
These Hebrew searches seem to be missing can anyone verify:


.*@01273
.*@01274
.*@01286
.*@01304
.*@01307


I noticed when I went the the Greek strong numbers there were quite a few missing too

I think the reason is that Strong's numbers were developed for the KJV.
Your 5 examples are all present in KJV.
The NAU/NAS tagger chose other numbers in these cases.
If you search for these numbers in KJV, also displaying NAU or NAS, the Analysis pane will help explain things.

For the last 2 in your list, NAU added a lower case letter to the number, so in NAU ".*@01304?" will find the NAU equivalents.

Dale A. Brueggemann
02-20-2014, 05:58 PM
exact ...search string to find strongs Hebrew numbers?

For Strong's numbers, search on .*@01241 for Hebrew and .@*1241 for Greek.

Isaiah 14:3-5
08-25-2016, 12:50 AM
@ Dale A. Brueggemann, my hat is off to you for your understanding and willingness to share. Very helpful :rolleyes:

Though not a learned one, I do have another question. But as someone said, 'if ya don't ask, ya don't git none!' No shame here.

I wish to search Hebrew databases (just the BW 10 standard ones) but don't want to have the results come as Holladay, I want Strong's results, using Strong's numbering. If there's a workaround requiring an added step, that's okay, but it would be cumbersome.

For the search version, King James is okay, but if there are any other popular ones such as NIV or NKJ or NAS with which the solution will work, that would be nice to understand also. As you may notice I don't understand the program really well, evident in not being sure if Strong's is even linked to the versions I've mentioned. I certainly AM in learning mode.

Thanks anyone and everyone,

Glenn

Jim Wert
08-26-2016, 02:25 PM
I wish to search Hebrew databases (just the BW 10 standard ones) but don't want to have the results come as Holladay, I want Strong's results, using Strong's numbering. If there's a workaround requiring an added step, that's okay, but it would be cumbersome.

For the search version, King James is okay, but if there are any other popular ones such as NIV or NKJ or NAS with which the solution will work, that would be nice to understand also. As you may notice I don't understand the program really well, evident in not being sure if Strong's is even linked to the versions I've mentioned. I certainly AM in learning mode.

Here is the list of the versions in BW that I am aware of that are tagged with Strong's numbers (or NAS's variant):
Cyrillic (Russian): RST
English: CSB, KJG, KJV, NKJ, RWB, NAS, NAU
Dutch: SVV
French: LSG, NEG
German: LUO, MNT

With any of these if you mouse over a word the Strong's information will pop up, and will display in the Analysis Window.

BW Help / 2 BibleWorks 10 Full Contents / Lexical-Grammatical References lists "Brown-Driver-Briggs-Gesenius Hebrew-English/Hebrew-French/Hebrew-Russian Lexicons (Strong's), abridged", which I think is their description of the source of that information.

If you are displaying the Strong's numbers (click in browse window and hit "r" key, among other ways to toggle them), right click on one of the numbers and select "Lookup Thayer/BDB Definition" and a window will appear with the same information that is in the Analysis Window, formatted differently. This window is useful if you want to look up a cross-reference mentioned in a Strong's entry.

Pasquale has created a set of Strongs UserLex files for use with the original language versions. I don't know what source he used, or how useful they might be. I have noticed that some Hebrew words do not show up in the UserLex pane; I think it may be because the BW lemmas don't always have vowels. Also, the Greek "definitions" appear to be a list of the words KJV used to translate that particular Greek lemma.
"http://www.bibleworks.com/forums/showthread.php?6379-English-UserLex-Strong-number-greek-and-hebrew"

--Jim