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Peter
12-25-2012, 10:01 AM
Dear Friends,

as I wanted to have a Peshitta text with vowels, I tried to prepare and install the text of this website: http://dukhrana.com/peshitta/index.php

Matthew 1:1 reads: kəṯāḇā dīlīḏūṯeh dəyešūᶜ məšīḥā bəreh dəḏawīḏ bəreh da(ᵓ)ḇrāhām


I want to have it for BibleWorks now - is this possible ? A first attempt failed because of the special font.

Thanks for all further help in this regard !
Yours
Peter

Mark Eddy
12-25-2012, 02:51 PM
Make sure that your transliterated Peshitta was saved in a .txt file. The BibleWorks database compiler uses only files of the .txt type. (Files in .rtf format or with Unicode fonts will not compile correctly.)
If you have a .txt file, and it still does not compile properly, you may need to do some work to get the correct vowels, soft b and soft d, soft k, cheth, etc. In order to do this, you may wish to export part of the BibleWorks BHT (transliterated Hebrew O.T.) to a .txt file. Then open that file with WordPad or Notepad and compare its system with that of your Peshitta file. You could then use the WordPad "Replace" function to replace all of the Peshitta characters which do not work correctly in BW with those used in the BHT file. But be careful! If you replace a character and then discover that that character was already used, you will not know which instances are correct and which should have been changed to something different first.
In the service of Immanuel,
Mark Eddy

Peter
12-25-2012, 03:23 PM
Dear Mark,

thank you ! That seems to be a lot of work. So it's not possible to include this text in BibleWorks right as it is?
Yours in Christ !
Peter, Germany

Peter
12-25-2012, 04:05 PM
Friends, fortunately I've found the Peshitta Old Testament Text according to the Leiden critical edition on the internet - there is also a lexicon included. Please see: http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/
As you may know the printed Leiden edition is so expensive that noone can afford it :-(
Is there a discussion board for Peshitta matters ?

Andrew Fincke
04-22-2015, 04:33 PM
Oak Tree Software (Accordance 11) has a fully tagged Old Testament Peshitta. Here's what the president of Oak Tree, Helen Brown, wrote on Feb. 11: We waited for several years as Leiden kept promising to release a partially tagged Peshitta to us, but eventually we gave up and produced our own fully tagged version. I am sure we would be interested in getting their text and apparatus as well, if they ever make it available to us.

Maybe it's time to switch from Bible Works to Accordance! Or see what they (Accordance) have at SBL in November.

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Mark Eddy
04-22-2015, 09:24 PM
BibleWorks 10 has the entire Leiden OT Peshitta in both Hebrew and Syriac scripts. As noted, Leiden has not provided a tagged Peshitta yet. But I would by no means abandon BW at this point. In the world of Bible software the various companies beat others to the punch on this or that database. But the other companies are usually not too many years behind. Leiden (and BW) is making great strides at providing a more economical way to study the Peshitta. If you absolutely need Peshitta this year, you may want to buy the other software. But BW has too much that works so well; it would be a waste of time and money to switch totally to something else for the sake of this one morphology database.
God bless!
Mark Eddy

Peter
04-24-2015, 05:11 PM
BibleWorks 10 has the entire Leiden OT Peshitta in both Hebrew and Syriac scripts. As noted, Leiden has not provided a tagged Peshitta yet. But I would by no means abandon BW at this point. In the world of Bible software the various companies beat others to the punch on this or that database. But the other companies are usually not too many years behind. Leiden (and BW) is making great strides at providing a more economical way to study the Peshitta. If you absolutely need Peshitta this year, you may want to buy the other software. But BW has too much that works so well; it would be a waste of time and money to switch totally to something else for the sake of this one morphology database.
God bless!
Mark Eddy
Dear Mark, that makes my day - how can I get Access to the OT Peshitta in both Hebrew and Syriac scripts for BW 10? I'd be highly intersted. Is it a add on module?
Yours
Peter

Mark Eddy
04-24-2015, 08:10 PM
The Leiden Peshitta is included in the base package when you upgrade to BW10.
Mark Eddy

Andrew Fincke
04-29-2015, 04:40 PM
Three questions, Mark:
1) What is the cost of the upgrade from BW 7 to BW 10?
2) If Leiden ever gets the tagged text, or if you get it from Helen Brown, will the upgrade to BW 10 users be free?
3) Is it possible to get screen shots of the text? The Peshitta font for the BW 7 NT is awful.

Mark Eddy
04-29-2015, 11:21 PM
1. The upgrade price from BW7 to 10 is $389, the same as purchasing it new. However, you get to continue to use some databases from BW7 which are no longer available in BW10.
2. I have done beta testing for BW for many years, but I do not work for the company, and I have no information about cost for future modules. The company works out an agreement with the producers of the various modules which try to get them to the users at the lowest cost but always remembering that "the laborer is worthy of his wages."
3. I think this is the same "awful" font used for the NT Peshitta in previous versions of BW. Other fonts were discussed during beta testing, so I know that the programmers are looking for something better which will not cost an arm and a leg.
dywdd hnkvm ~yqa wh amwyb hb LPE Amo 9:11

~yqa Hwhypxsmw Hwht[rwt Gwsaw Lpnd

!yrdrdd aynv $yaw ~l[d 9mwy $ya hynbaw



lpnd dywdd hnkvm ~yqa wh amwyb hb LPEH Amo 9:11

atmwy $ya hynbaw ~yqa !whypxsmw !wht[rwt gwsaw

!yrdrdd aynv $yaw ~l[d

I Mark Eddy

MGVH
04-29-2015, 11:40 PM
Three questions, Mark:
1) What is the cost of the upgrade from BW 7 to BW 10?
2) If Leiden ever gets the tagged text, or if you get it from Helen Brown, will the upgrade to BW 10 users be free?
3) Is it possible to get screen shots of the text? The Peshitta font for the BW 7 NT is awful.

I was part of beta testing, and I complained about the font too. (I suspect that the BW7 is the same as BW10 one) The BW folks are working on getting another font, but the problem is finding a public domain (not just free), non-Unicode, Syriac font that can be converted using a CCAT type of system. (The Meltho fonts are Unicode, are free, but not public domain.) Here's the BW10 look, and it's still that very heavy Estrangela font.

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Andrew Fincke
04-30-2015, 08:08 PM
Where did Accordance get their font? Hereís the verse in Estrangelo
ܒܪܝܼܫܝܼܬ ܒܼܪܐ ܐܠܗܐ ܝ̇ܬ ܫܡܝܐ. ܘܝ̇ܬ ܐܪܥܐ with points.
The letters donít interfere with each other. Itís a smooth script with no need of transliteration into Hebrew. Note especially the final two letters. Crisp and distinct and not a mess of thick, fat letters bumping into each other, like BW 10 has it.

Andrew Fincke
05-11-2015, 08:32 PM
If you had a decent font, Mark, you wouldn't need the silliness of Syriac in Hebrew letters. תהא סילינאסס אפ סיריאק ינ היברוו לאתתארס Hereís Amos 9:11 in the font that Windows gives me:
ܒܗ ܒܝܘܡܐ ܗ̇ܘ ܆ ܐܩ̇ܝܡ ܡ̇ܫܟܢܗ ܕܕܘܝܕ ܕܼܢܦܼܠ . ܘܐܣ̇ܘܓܝ ܬܘܪ̈ܥܬܗܘܢ ܁ ܘܡܣܚ̈ܦܝܗܘܢ . ܐܩ̇ܝܡ . ܘܐܒ̇ܢܝܗ̇ . ܐܝܟ ܝܘ̈ܡܬܐ ܕܼܥܠܡ . ܘܐܝܟ ܫܢ̈ܝܐ ܕܕܪܕܪ̈ܝܢ .
Itís called Estrangelo Edessa. And after you change to that, add the King James 1611 marginal notes, like at Isaiah 41:11, where the Hendrickson facsimile edition gives:
Behold, all they that were incenſed againſt thee ſhalbe aſhamed and confounded: they ſhall be as nothing; and ✝they that ſtriue with thee, ſhall perish.Ē ✝Heb. the men of thy ſtrife.
There are users of BibleWorks who want more than comic books like the NIV. It's the 400th anniversary of the King James. Do us a favor and give it to us, like Hendrickson did. The garbage of paraphrases makes me throw up.

Note that some of the points over the letters aren't kerned right. Everything 's hunky dory in my Word file and the .pdf I made from it. The Word File is attached (I think) or visible by scrolling down.