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SteveT
11-18-2004, 03:50 AM
I have a very quick question about punctuation in the LXX (LXT): am I right in thinking that it doesn't contain punctuation at the end of each verse (if so, is there a way I can activate this feature)? When I compare the BW's output with the LXX on TLG there's quite a difference. Or am I misreading it (which is more than possible!)?

Many thanks!

Steve

Mark Eddy
11-19-2004, 03:16 PM
You're right. There currently is no punctuation in LXT or the BGT Old Testament in BibleWorks.Mark Eddy

SteveT
11-22-2004, 09:47 AM
Many thanks for your reply - do you know if there's a reason for this (and is punctuation is going to be added at a later stage)?

Many thanks, again!

Steve

Mark Eddy
11-22-2004, 01:04 PM
I don't speak definatively for the programmers, but what I know is that BibleWorks received the LXT databases without punctuation. And nobody has yet taken the time to add punctuation. Eventually when the database creators (or a volunteer editor?) adds punctuation, BW will include it.

Here is the relavent information in the auto-info window if you place your cursor over "BGT":
The LXX MRT (machine readable text) was prepared by the TLG (Thesaurus Linguae Graecae) Project directed by Theodore F. Brünner at University of California, Irvine. Further verification and adaptation towards conformity with the individual Goettingen editions that have appeared since 1935 (9th Edition reprint in 1971) is in process by the CATSS Project, University of Pennsylvania. The various LXX OT Apocryphal/Deutero-Canonical books are included. Now included are the substantial text variations and multiple text types (assuming Codex Vaticanus as standard) from the Theodotian revision, Codex Alexandrinus, and Codex Sinaiticus. But not yet included are the textual variants as encoded from the apparatuses of the best available editions (especially Goettingen, Cambridge), and reformatted for computer by the Philadelphia team of the in-process CATSS Project under the direction of R. Kraft.

Hope this is enlightening.
Mark Eddy

doulosChristou
02-19-2009, 08:29 PM
Has there been any progress on this? Punctuation in Ralhfs LXX would be nice to have for readability (and Apostolic Fathers, Jospehus, etc.). Also, will the individual Goettingen editions be made available at some point?

doulosChristou
06-23-2010, 02:21 PM
16 months later, and I was wondering if Bibleworks is planning on adding the punctuation. I was also curious about the Göttingen critical edition volumes of the LXX. Logos has the Göttingen LXX on pre-pub, and their Rahlfs LXX has had punctuation for years.

Lee
06-23-2010, 05:42 PM
Doulos, you can download the LXX w/ punctuation from e-Sword free of charge. The program is also free to download.

bkMitchell
06-23-2010, 07:45 PM
... But not yet included are the textual variants as encoded from the apparatuses of the best available editions (especially Goettingen, Cambridge), and reformatted for computer by the Philadelphia team of the in-process CATSS Project under the direction of R. Kraft.

[/FONT]Hope this is enlightening.
Mark Eddy

Although, this wasn't the original point of the thread this is a great discussion.
For, those who would like to see datebase Mark Eddy is refering to, and for those who might like to try to create their own original text here is a sample from the CATTS database spoken of above.


Annotated Sample of Variant Text Notations (Ruth 3.5-6)

book verse
| chp | item
| | | | sub-variant {comments}
| | | | |
RT 03 05(0100) +<<gk>KAI\</gk> 18 {pr type reading with
RT 03 05(0200) <gk>EI)=PEN</gk> a <gk>KAI/-DE/</gk> variation
RT 03 05(0301) <gk>DE\</gk>] > 18 in MS 18}
RT 03 05(0401) <gk>*ROUQ</gk>] > (~)OA-OL(~) {possible transpostion}
RT 03 05(0500) <gk>PRO\S</gk>
RT 03 05(0601) <gk>AU)TH/N</gk>]
RT 03 05(0602) : <gk>AU)TH=|</gk> b {alternative readings}
RT 03 05(0603) : <gk>AU)TO/N</gk> o*
RT 03 05(0700) + <gk>*ROUQ</gk> (~)OA-OL(~) {balances earlier "(~)"}
RT 03 05(0800) <gk>*PA/NTA</gk>
RT 03 05(0901) ,] > (B-M) {punctuation difference}
RT 03 05(1000) <gk>O(/SA</gk>
RT 03 05(1101) <gk>E)A\N</gk> ABacfkxb2] {base text attestation}
RT 03 05(1102) : <gk>A)\N</gk> MN<gk>*D</gk>(10)bdeghijlmnopqrstuvwa2e2
RT 03 05(1200) <gk>EI)/PH|S</gk>
RT 03 05(1300) + <gk>PRO/S</gk> bcx {simple plus}
RT 03 05(1401) +:<gk>ME</gk> bcx {complex plus}
RT 03 05(1402) :+<gk>MOI *D</gk>(10)fhipqrtv OL OS
RT 03 05(1403) :+mihi OA OC OE
RT 03 05(1501) ,] > (B-M)
RT 03 05(1600) <gk>POIH/SW</gk>
RT 03 05(1700) .
RT 03 06(0101) <gk>KAI\</gk>] > OL(>5) {extensive minus in OL}
RT 03 06(0201) <gk>KATE/BH</gk>] > OL(>5)
RT 03 06(0300) + <gk>*ROUQ</gk> glnoptvwe2
RT 03 06(0401) <gk>EI)S</gk>] > OL(>5)
RT 03 06(0501) <gk>TO\N</gk>] > OL(>5)
RT 03 06(0502) :<<gk>TH\N</gk> b'glnoptvwe2
RT 03 06(0601) <gk>A(/LW</gk>] > OL(>5)
RT 03 06(0602) : <gk>A(/LWNA *D</gk>(10)(vid)cghlmnoprtvwa2e2 {vid notation}
RT 03 06(0700) + , (B-M) {punctuation added}
RT 03 06(0800) <gk>KAI\</gk>
RT 03 06(0900) <gk>E)POI/HSEN</gk>
RT 03 06(1001) <gk>KATA\</gk>]
RT 03 06(1002) : <gk>TA\</gk> 74 76
RT 03 06(1100) <gk>PA/NTA</gk>
RT 03 06(1201) ,] > (B-M)
RT 03 06(1300) <gk>O(/SA</gk>
RT 03 06(1401) <gk>E)NETEI/LATO</gk>]
RT 03 06(1402) : <gk>EI)=PEN</gk> u
RT 03 06(1501) <gk>AU)TH=|</gk>] > OL
RT 03 06(1502) : <gk>AU)TH/N</gk> oe2
RT 03 06(1600) <gk>H(</gk>
RT 03 06(1700) <gk>PENQERA\</gk>
RT 03 06(1800) <gk>AU)TH=S</gk>
RT 03 06(1900) .
11. Differences between Rahlfs and Cambridge (MS B)


RT 01 02(1401) <gk>KAI\</gk> (=c(a?)q(b) 236 [etc.])] >(>6) Bc*(~)q* OE(f)
RT 01 02(1501) <gk>O)/NOMA</gk> ([etc. as above])] >(>6) Bc*(~)q* OE(f)
RT 01 02(1601) <gk>TH=|</gk> (=c(a?) 236 [etc.])] >(>6) Bc*(~)q* OE(f)
RT 01 02(1701) <gk>GUNAIKI\</gk> ([etc. as above])] >(>6) Bc*(~)q* OE(f)
RT 01 02(1801) <gk>AU)TOU=</gk> (=c(a?)q(B) 236 [etc.])] >(>6) Bc*(~)q* OE(f)
RT 01 02(1901) <gk>*NWEMIN</gk> (R)] >(>6) Bc*(~)q* OE(f)

RT 01 04(0501) <gk>*MWABI/TIDAS</gk> (=A)]
RT 01 04(0502) : <gk>*MWABEI/TIDAS *B

RT 01 15(1301) <gk>H(</gk>] > B

RT 02 12(0901) <gk>KAI\</gk>] > Ba

RT 02 16(1401) <gk>A)/FETE</gk> AMNabdefhijkmqrsuxb2 OA OE(c) OS] > Bca2 OC
OL (?)

RT 03 16(1601) <gk>*TI/S</gk> Aacgloxe2 OC OS] > B
RT 03 16(1701) <gk>EI)=</gk> Aacgloxe2 OC OS] > Bbna2 OE

RT 04 13(0801) <gk>KAI\</gk>] > Ba2-OE(f)(>9) blgnowe2
RT 04 13(0901) <gk>E)GENH/QH</gk>] > Ba2-OE(f)(>9) blgnowe2
RT 04 13(1001) <gk>AU)TW=|</gk>] > Ba2-OE(f)(>9) OL
RT 04 13(1101) <gk>EI)S</gk> (OS sub &)] > Ba2-OE(f)(>9) bglnw OE(c) OL
RT 04 13(1201) <gk>GUNAI=KA</gk> (OS sub &)] > Ba2-OE(f)(>9) OL
RT 04 13(1401) <gk>KAI\</gk>] > Ba2-OE(f)(>9) OE(c)(>4)
RT 04 13(1501) <gk>EI)SH=LQEN</gk>] > Ba2-OE(f)(>9) OE(c)(>4)
RT 04 13(1601) <gk>PRO\S</gk>] > Ba2-OE(f)(>9) OE(c)(>4)
RT 04 13(1701) <gk>AU)TH/N</gk>] > Ba2-OE(f)(>9) OE(c)(>4)

RT 04 15(2201) <gk>SOU</gk>] > B

RT 04 19(1301) <gk>*AMINADAB</gk> A]
RT 04 19(1303) : <gk>*AMEINADAB</gk> BMNacdegijklmnopqrtuvwxya2b2e2

RT 04 20(0201) <gk>*AMINADAB</gk> A OC OL]
RT 04 20(0203) : <gk>*AMEINADAB</gk> BMNabcdegijklmnopqrtuvwxya2b2e2
//end of article//
(link) (http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/gopher/text/religion/biblical/lxxvar/0-Explan.htm)

bkMitchell
06-23-2010, 07:50 PM
For those desiring more info on CCAT, text check out the link below:

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/gopher/


For Biblical resources and text go here:
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/gopher/text/religion/biblical/

AbramKJ
12-18-2012, 10:18 PM
Curious if anyone knows whether BibleWorks has made any progress here, i.e., if we can expect a with-punctuation LXX any time soon?