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LarryW
10-05-2012, 12:08 AM
I wanted to download the installer in preparation for when the discs I ordered arrive but can't find the download site. Probably right in front of my nose but I must be blind. Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
Larry

Michael Hanel
10-05-2012, 12:14 AM
I wanted to download the installer in preparation for when the discs I ordered arrive but can't find the download site. Probably right in front of my nose but I must be blind. Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
Larry

The installer has been pulled from the website, so it's not there to find. :)

Check out this page (http://www.bibleworks.com/news/nr20121004mt.html).


If you obtain the BW9 Mac Public Preview through our webstore by 10/15/2012, there will be no fee for it. After that date users will have to pay a nominal fee of $6 to obtain the BW9 Mac Public Preview. This is due to license restrictions that we did not understand before the initial announcement was made. We will absorb the nominal fee for users who obtain the Mac Public Preview by 10/15/2012. This does not affect Mac users running BibleWorks outside of the Mac Public Preview.

LarryW
10-05-2012, 01:37 AM
Thanks. Glad I'm not blind - totally.

The way I read their announcement was that it would be available at the web store now but would need to pay the fee after the 15th. I didn't see it on the web store so was lost.

Larry

Michael Hanel
10-05-2012, 01:38 AM
Thanks. Glad I'm not blind - totally.

The way I read their announcement was that it would be available at the web store now but would need to pay the fee after the 15th. I didn't see it on the web store so was lost.

Larry

Yeah, based on their announcement, it will be in the webstore early next week. So you'll still have some time before the 15th.

MTan
10-05-2012, 10:43 AM
Yeah, based on their announcement, it will be in the webstore early next week. So you'll still have some time before the 15th.

That's exactly right. It should be in the webstore early next week. If you keep an eye on the Mac page we'll update it as soon as everything is in place. We're very sorry for the hassle and confusion. Truly, we live under the curse.

Michael

andrew short
10-07-2012, 12:03 AM
In 2006 Robin Song had a massive file of bible versions to put on BW.

How do I put that on MAC BW when I buy it, or do I copy from Parallels

or the file is against copyright so be honest and stop using it?

I big thanks to BW so only asking for $6 for the upgrade from BW9 to BW 9Mac fee.

I mean $6 is not a massive price

Robin, please reply if you read this.

Michael Hanel
10-07-2012, 12:25 AM
In 2006 Robin Song had a massive file of bible versions to put on BW.

How do I put that on MAC BW when I buy it, or do I copy from Parallels

or the file is against copyright so be honest and stop using it?


I can't comment on the ethics involved, but you should be able to install user-versions just like you could on Windows. You simply need to navigate to the proper place (depending on the file, either the "userdb" or "databases" folder) and place the files there, compiling if necessary.

andrew short
10-07-2012, 01:23 AM
I can't comment on the ethics involved, but you should be able to install user-versions just like you could on Windows. You simply need to navigate to the proper place (depending on the file, either the "userdb" or "databases" folder) and place the files there, compiling if necessary.

So I download the mac preview and then install the bw9 cds and then see about Robin's files.

andrew short
10-08-2012, 03:43 AM
So I download the mac preview and then install the bw9 cds and then see about Robin's files.

This week I Will download the mac thing for $6 and install it with my bw9 cds.
I have gone through the forum and checked the forum posts from the big v7 installer and decided not to use those files. But I want to ask is there a good legal download for Wickliffe, the only one on that big installer i actually want.

Where are legal downloads for bw9?
Now when my computer guy comes tomorrow, do I say, ah I no longer needs parallels, don't fix just remove, as BW( is the only reason for parallels and owning bw9 means I only pay $6 to but on mac? or keep parallels anyway) or isn't that a question for this forum?

I get the impression Robin Song is no longer on this forum and hasn't been for years.

Donald Cobb
10-08-2012, 08:48 AM
Now when my computer guy comes tomorrow, do I say, ah I no longer needs parallels, don't fix just remove, as BW( is the only reason for parallels and owning bw9 means I only pay $6 to but on mac? or keep parallels anyway) or isn't that a question for this forum?

Hello Andrew,

I personnally would hold off on uninstalling Parallels. The new version has made notable improvements over the setup BW9 + Crossover as a separate install (I've had that on my mac book pro since the spring), but I think you'd still miss some of the features you may be used to working with through Parallels. I've been using both concurrently as of late, and more and more the new version. But there are still some kinks that would need to be worked out before I make a total change.

If I'm running my mac on battery power, the new version is the only one that's open, as Windows really sucks up battery life. My take on the situation, though, is that it doesn't totally replace using Parallels. Not yet, anyway! You should probably install both and see what you can and can't do with the IOS one only, then make a decision based on that.

Donald Cobb
Aix-en-Provence, France

andrew short
10-08-2012, 07:30 PM
Hello Andrew,

I personnally would hold off on uninstalling Parallels. The new version has made notable improvements over the setup BW9 + Crossover as a separate install (I've had that on my mac book pro since the spring), but I think you'd still miss some of the features you may be used to working with through Parallels. I've been using both concurrently as of late, and more and more the new version. But there are still some kinks that would need to be worked out before I make a total change.

If I'm running my mac on battery power, the new version is the only one that's open, as Windows really sucks up battery life. My take on the situation, though, is that it doesn't totally replace using Parallels. Not yet, anyway! You should probably install both and see what you can and can't do with the IOS one only, then make a decision based on that.

Donald Cobb
Aix-en-Provence, France

how is parallels bw better than Mac one?

andrew short
10-09-2012, 06:13 AM
ok I got onto Robin Song, who was able to confirm that he was unasure about the copyright of his installer file featured in these forums in around April 2006.

andrew short
10-09-2012, 07:51 PM
I ordered the rev 3 cds yesturday, how do I get the installer and unlock code?
the BW 9 wants to know about shipping on the installer. Did I need to order the installer and cds together or is installer a download?

Michael Hanel
10-09-2012, 08:11 PM
I ordered the rev 3 cds yesturday, how do I get the installer and unlock code?
the BW 9 wants to know about shipping on the installer. Did I need to order the installer and cds together or is installer a download?

The installer is available on this page (http://www.bibleworks.com/content/mac.html#MPPInstall) under instruction item #2. You can download the installer at any time, but it is my understanding that you will not be able to successfully run the installer without a BibleWorks Mac activation code.

If you ordered the DVDs, you still have to go to the BibleWorks store (http://store.bibleworks.com/bwmac.html) and buy the Mac activation code because before today it wasn't possible to order both the DVDs and a Mac activation code on the same transaction. It's currently free, so it's not a problem. You have to submit your current BW9 activation code. And then it says it will take them a business day to verify that code and then they will email you your Mac activation code. You do have to fill in address info, but that's probably just for mailing list purposes, there is no shipping of the Mac activation code; it arrives via email.

andrew short
10-10-2012, 02:59 AM
The installer is available on this page (http://www.bibleworks.com/content/mac.html#MPPInstall) under instruction item #2. You can download the installer at any time, but it is my understanding that you will not be able to successfully run the installer without a BibleWorks Mac activation code.

If you ordered the DVDs, you still have to go to the BibleWorks store (http://store.bibleworks.com/bwmac.html) and buy the Mac activation code because before today it wasn't possible to order both the DVDs and a Mac activation code on the same transaction. It's currently free, so it's not a problem. You have to submit your current BW9 activation code. And then it says it will take them a business day to verify that code and then they will email you your Mac activation code. You do have to fill in address info, but that's probably just for mailing list purposes, there is no shipping of the Mac activation code; it arrives via email.

I downloaded in installer and ran BW 9 v2 without needing the code. I emailed BW asking them to cancel my order. Hopefully they will.

And the installer from Robin Song does not work. if anyone knows a legal download of old versions let me know.

Michael Hanel
10-10-2012, 10:41 AM
I have two different thoughts. 1) if you've already had BibleWorks up and running before this, you can simply copy the versions from your old BibleWorks installation and put them in your new one (they are all contained within the BibleWorks folder in a subfolder for \databases\, just be careful of overwriting newer versions of the files). 2) If I remember correctly, the Robin Song files is simply a self-executable zip file (or something like that). All it does when you run it is install (unzip) the files it contained in the BibleWorks \databases\ folder. So if you can't run the executable file on a Mac, put it in a PC and run them and then look for the files it unzips in a directory that should be something like C:\Program Files\BibleWorks X\.... Grab the files on a flash drive and then copy them to your computer.

andrew short
10-10-2012, 07:43 PM
I have two different thoughts. 1) if you've already had BibleWorks up and running before this, you can simply copy the versions from your old BibleWorks installation and put them in your new one (they are all contained within the BibleWorks folder in a subfolder for \databases\, just be careful of overwriting newer versions of the files). 2) If I remember correctly, the Robin Song files is simply a self-executable zip file (or something like that). All it does when you run it is install (unzip) the files it contained in the BibleWorks \databases\ folder. So if you can't run the executable file on a Mac, put it in a PC and run them and then look for the files it unzips in a directory that should be something like C:\Program Files\BibleWorks X\.... Grab the files on a flash drive and then copy them to your computer.


What's the story about the files being uploaded by Bob Venem, are they legal and still around?

Michael Hanel
10-10-2012, 08:05 PM
What's the story about the files being uploaded by Bob Venem, are they legal and still around?

You can try contacting him personally. But he told us (at the Unofficial BibleWorks blog) that he had questions about the copyright status of the files and wanted us to remove them, so we did.

andrew short
10-10-2012, 08:28 PM
You can try contacting him personally. But he told us (at the Unofficial BibleWorks blog) that he had questions about the copyright status of the files and wanted us to remove them, so we did.

Mike, what's the email address?

bobvenem
10-10-2012, 10:46 PM
Andrew,

Michael stated the situation correctly. I have several versions in BW format but their copyright status is indeterminable, so to share them is problematic. Sorry.

Bob

andrew short
10-11-2012, 04:33 AM
Andrew,

Michael stated the situation correctly. I have several versions in BW format but their copyright status is indeterminable, so to share them is problematic. Sorry.

Bob

So the fact they are before 1900 does not prove public domain, so if it does not come from BW official updates or cds do not use it, it might be illegal.

Michael Hanel
10-11-2012, 09:09 AM
So the fact they are before 1900 does not prove public domain, so if it does not come from BW official updates or cds do not use it, it might be illegal.

We live in a confusing world. The fact of the matter is that people claim copyright to the production of electronic editions too. So a work can be produced before 1900 in book form, but if Logos (for instance) pays to digitize it into an electronic text, you cannot simply export that text and put it on the internet to download freely. That's illegal. You may not agree with that, but that's where the law is currently. Files on the unofficial BibleWorks blog (http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/) are (to the best of our knowledge) free of such concerns. This was the problem with Robin Song's files and is the same problem with the New World Translation (though that also fails to meet public domain pre-1923 (http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm)).

andrew short
10-11-2012, 06:47 PM
We live in a confusing world. The fact of the matter is that people claim copyright to the production of electronic editions too. So a work can be produced before 1900 in book form, but if Logos (for instance) pays to digitize it into an electronic text, you cannot simply export that text and put it on the internet to download freely. That's illegal. You may not agree with that, but that's where the law is currently. Files on the unofficial BibleWorks blog (http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/) are (to the best of our knowledge) free of such concerns. This was the problem with Robin Song's files and is the same problem with the New World Translation (though that also fails to meet public domain pre-1923 (http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm)).

If anyone finds a legal download for Wycliffe please let me know? I discovered that the Mac installer works with r2 cds but BW customer support weren't able to cancel my order for r3 cds. Is r3 better for the mac anyway?

bobvenem
10-11-2012, 07:42 PM
Wycliffe is precisely a case in point. His translation is available online at http://wesley.nnu.edu/sermons-essays-books/john-wycliffes-translation/, but I have not been able to get permission from them to convert it into a redistributable BW version. I had mistakenly assumed since it was freely downloadable for personal use that it could be redistributed in another format, but this is not the case.

That being said, you could download it and convert it for your own use with no repercussions, as far as I know.

andrew short
10-11-2012, 08:55 PM
Wycliffe is precisely a case in point. His translation is available online at http://wesley.nnu.edu/sermons-essays-books/john-wycliffes-translation/, but I have not been able to get permission from them to convert it into a redistributable BW version. I had mistakenly assumed since it was freely downloadable for personal use that it could be redistributed in another format, but this is not the case.

That being said, you could download it and convert it for your own use with no repercussions, as far as I know.

so you asked you they said no?
how would I download and convert? for the mac version what endings is put on the bible file?

andrew short
10-11-2012, 09:10 PM
so you asked you they said no?
how would I download and convert? for the mac version what endings is put on the bible file?

can I email them and ask?

andrew short
10-11-2012, 10:43 PM
can I email them and ask?

what about the Wycliffe here http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/?page_id=138

bobvenem
10-12-2012, 12:03 AM
Andrew,

I have no idea what you would do to convert it to Mac. You don't have to ask to download for personal use; they would not give permission for free use to redistribute. The link you have listed should not be active. I'll contact Michael to have it removed from their site.

andrew short
10-12-2012, 03:47 AM
Andrew,

I have no idea what you would do to convert it to Mac. You don't have to ask to download for personal use; they would not give permission for free use to redistribute. The link you have listed should not be active. I'll contact Michael to have it removed from their site.

how do I download and convert for BW, at least how do you do it?

andrew short
10-16-2012, 07:39 PM
how do I download and convert for BW, at least how do you do it?
I got an email today from the US Copyright department www.copyright.gov confirming that copying an out of copyright work to a new format does not make that new format copyrighted unless it is changed.

andrew short
10-24-2012, 06:12 AM
I got an email today from the US Copyright department www.copyright.gov (http://www.copyright.gov) confirming that copying an out of copyright work to a new format does not make that new format copyrighted unless it is changed.

any comments on this?

Michael Hanel
10-25-2012, 11:11 AM
any comments on this?

Send at least one more email. Email the folks at Logos. They publish numerous out-of-copyright, public domain texts. Ask them if they have any problem if you export the text of such a work and distribute it freely to others on the Internet. If they say yes, ask them to explain their position since you emailed the US Copyright Dept and they said there was nothing wrong with such an action.

andrew short
10-25-2012, 06:59 PM
Send at least one more email. Email the folks at Logos. They publish numerous out-of-copyright, public domain texts. Ask them if they have any problem if you export the text of such a work and distribute it freely to others on the Internet. If they say yes, ask them to explain their position since you emailed the US Copyright Dept and they said there was nothing wrong with such an action.

Will he bring back his early bibles download depending on the results of my research?

andrew short
10-29-2012, 07:38 PM
Will he bring back his early bibles download depending on the results of my research?

I don't think Logos understood my question