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ISalzman
09-17-2012, 10:55 PM
Does anyone know if there is a BibleWorks database of an English translation of the Syriac? I know about the NT ones. I am talking specific to OT now. Thanks.

andley
09-18-2012, 02:12 AM
i've been looking for it for some time but no luck :(

the closest i can find is: Lamsa Bible
http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/AramaicNTtools/dr_george_lamsa_bible.htm

hope someone has a better answer :)

thanks,
-Andley.

ISalzman
09-18-2012, 08:52 AM
Thanks, Andley. After a lit bit of searching last night, I found Lamsa too (the website to which you refer). I must say that the font on that website does not make for the easiest reading.

DavidR
09-18-2012, 07:21 PM
Well, IMHO the font that BW uses for the NT Peshitta is quite hard to read itself.

The fact that BW doesn't have the OT Peshitta in Syriac means that getting it in English would be unlikely. But that raises the question: any chance of getting the OT Peshitta?

ISalzman
09-19-2012, 09:39 AM
Can you read and interpret Syriac, David?

ISalzman
09-19-2012, 09:42 AM
Since we're on the subject of OT witnesses, does anyone know if there exists a database of the Samaritan Pentateuch and an English translation thereof?

DavidR
09-19-2012, 10:01 AM
Can you read and interpret Syriac, David?
Yes, I can. It's not hard to learn, especially if you know some Aramaic already.

ISalzman
09-19-2012, 10:23 AM
My Aramaic is not bad actually. So is Syriac basically Aramaic transliterated in Syriac characters? (Not that that would help me at this point, since I don't read Syriac.)

By the way, you're not the same David R who authored the Epistles of John in the Westminster Bible Companion Series, are you?

MGVH
09-19-2012, 11:05 AM
Since we're on the subject of OT witnesses, does anyone know if there exists a database of the Samaritan Pentateuch and an English translation thereof?

Check this thread (http://www.bibleworks.com/forums/showthread.php?5398-Listing-of-all-Hebrew-Greek-Syriac-Latin-and-English-texts-for-BW) for the full list of text available. You will find the Samaritan Pentateuch listed there, recently made available on the Old in the New blog. Both Hebrew and English

ISalzman
09-19-2012, 11:54 AM
That is excellent. Thank you, Mark.

DavidR
09-19-2012, 06:29 PM
My Aramaic is not bad actually. So is Syriac basically Aramaic transliterated in Syriac characters? (Not that that would help me at this point, since I don't read Syriac.)
Syriac can be considered an eastern dialect of Aramaic. There's a debate about whether it should be counted as a dialect or as its own separate language, but in any case it's Aramaic. There are some grammatical differences from biblical Aramaic (which is western Aramaic); for instance, third masculine imperfect verb forms begin with nun instead of yod, and the plural emphatic of masculine nouns ends in ē instead of ayyā. Of course, there's also some distinctive vocabulary. Because Syriac became the language of the Christian church in the Middle East, there is a vast body of theological, liturgical, mystical, martyrological, etc., literature that uses specialized Christian terminology, some of it borrowed from Greek, some of it translated from Greek, some of it developed within Syriac.

If you know biblical Aramaic, you'd need to adjust to these differences (as well as to different scripts), but it probably wouldn't be that hard. If you know some Jewish Talmudic Aramaic (Jewish Babylonian Aramaic), which is also an eastern form of Aramaic, even some of the grammar might be familiar.


By the way, you're not the same David R who authored the Epistles of John in the Westminster Bible Companion Series, are you?
As a matter of fact, yes. :o

ISalzman
09-19-2012, 09:37 PM
Thanks, David. As a matter of fact, I studied the Talmud in Aramaic all of my middle and high school years. Sounds like mastering the script of Syriac would be about the biggest challenge that I'd face.

Kudos to you on your Epistles of John commentary. I literally just saw it advertised within the last couple of days. When I saw your name in the promo, I wondered if that was you. Blessings,

Irving

DavidR
09-20-2012, 10:49 AM
Thanks, Irving. It's good to know that they're still promoting it!

If you can read the Talmud in Aramaic, you've got a good jump on learning Syriac. As an added incentive, Syriac texts are usually not as elliptical and hard to follow as the Talmud can sometimes be!

ISalzman
09-21-2012, 12:41 PM
Thanks for the encouragement, David.