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Adelphos
10-15-2011, 02:09 PM
I'm getting closer to ordering BW 9, and the answer to these questions won't affect that at all, but I'm curious --

1. Is there a way to QUICKLY switch between the 3-pane view and the 4-pane view?

2. I assume that when I give my lock codes at purchase time that the new lock codes will be sent along with the DVD, or do they email them?

3. Can I keep BW 8 installed while I install/run BW 9, or must I uninstall BW 8 first?

4. Anything else I need to be aware of?

Michael Hanel
10-15-2011, 02:34 PM
I'm getting closer to ordering BW 9, and the answer to these questions won't affect that at all, but I'm curious --

1. Is there a way to QUICKLY switch between the 3-pane view and the 4-pane view?

Yes. If you look at any of the videos or pictures (or, you know, read my reviews (http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/?p=783)...), it's simply a matter of clicking a button that toggles the fourth column on or off.


2. I assume that when I give my lock codes at purchase time that the new lock codes will be sent along with the DVD, or do they email them?

They email them. Now that the initial rush is gone, I assume you'd get the emailed codes before you get the DVD.


3. Can I keep BW 8 installed while I install/run BW 9, or must I uninstall BW 8 first?

It's suggested to remove it I think because there can be interference with the COM server and how BibleWorks registers (you may know more about this aspect than I do), but otherwise if you don't uninstall it, you shouldn't have any other problems.


4. Anything else I need to be aware of?

Nothing that I can think of. Just make sure you're not installing it on your netbook. Half the fun of BW9 is having quick and easy access to manuscript images and those take up quite a few GB. Yes I know you already have your view of manuscript evidence, but still having access to images for the purposes of illustration is quite handy.

Adelphos
10-15-2011, 02:42 PM
Thanks for the quick replies. You raised another question, though. If I DO want to install it on a netbook, are the manuscript images/modules optional, or is installing them a must?

Even though I probably won't make much use of them, I'll definitely do a full install on my regular computer, but on the netbook, even one with a pretty big HD, I'd rather not have them if I don't have to.

Michael Hanel
10-15-2011, 03:01 PM
Thanks for the quick replies. You raised another question, though. If I DO want to install it on a netbook, are the manuscript images/modules optional, or is installing them a must?

Even though I probably won't make much use of them, I'll definitely do a full install on my regular computer, but on the netbook, even one with a pretty big HD, I'd rather not have them if I don't have to.

Images are optional. You are given the chance at your install to select whether you want them or not, just like you can choose which Bible versions to install. If you change your mind you can re-run the installation to install them if you decide you want them. If you don't want them, you could pretty much just delete the image folders.

Adelphos
10-15-2011, 03:50 PM
Well, you're just doing everything you can to make me go ahead and order, aren't you? :cool:

I suspect I'll bite the bullet in the not too distant future, then. Thanks for the quick replies.

Also, now that I'm getting ready to take the plunge, I'll watch the videos and read your reviews, although, I believe your reviews contain complete sentences in them, and I'm not sure if I'm up to that today. :D

Michael Hanel
10-15-2011, 03:54 PM
Also, now that I'm getting ready to take the plunge, I'll watch the videos and read your reviews, although, I believe your reviews contain complete sentences in them, and I'm not sure if I'm up to that today. :D

That's why I included pictures and bold print. Just look at the pictures and read the bold print. No need to waste time on sentences. :)

Adelphos
10-15-2011, 06:17 PM
Okay, I know I have to enter my main BW 8 activation code, but what about my unlock modules? Do I have to enter them somewhere as well, or do they already have a record of them and just send them to me?

BTW, Michael, the reviews were very informative... and I really liked the pictures. :cool:

Dan Phillips
10-15-2011, 07:00 PM
FWIW, I installed on a Netbook for our trip to the UK, and loved it. But I wasn't using the fourth pane much, and it's easily closed.

Michael Hanel
10-15-2011, 07:12 PM
Okay, I know I have to enter my main BW 8 activation code, but what about my unlock modules? Do I have to enter them somewhere as well, or do they already have a record of them and just send them to me?

BTW, Michael, the reviews were very informative... and I really liked the pictures. :cool:

When you've previously registered and activated BibleWorks 8, that keeps a record of all the modules activated to your BibleWorks ID, so when you upgrade with your BW8 activation, they know what unlock codes to send you. At least I believe that's how it worked. Anyway, it should be all part of whatever they email you, you don't need to send them a list of your BW8 unlocks unless for some reason they wouldn't have proof that you unlocked them.

Adelphos
10-15-2011, 07:46 PM
When you've previously registered and activated BibleWorks 8, that keeps a record of all the modules activated to your BibleWorks ID, so when you upgrade with your BW8 activation, they know what unlock codes to send you. At least I believe that's how it worked. Anyway, it should be all part of whatever they email you, you don't need to send them a list of your BW8 unlocks unless for some reason they wouldn't have proof that you unlocked them.

Okay, thanks again, Michael.

Just out of curiosity, Dan, how big is the HD on your netbook and how much did BW take up?

I'm thinking about just leaving BW 8 on my netbook, albeit I'm probably going to be getting a new netbook soon, so I'll have to see which BW version I want to install then.

Jim Wert
10-16-2011, 12:28 AM
When you've previously registered and activated BibleWorks 8, that keeps a record of all the modules activated to your BibleWorks ID, so when you upgrade with your BW8 activation, they know what unlock codes to send you. At least I believe that's how it worked. Anyway, it should be all part of whatever they email you, you don't need to send them a list of your BW8 unlocks unless for some reason they wouldn't have proof that you unlocked them.

While I was waiting for my copy of BW9 to arrive (it seemed to take it a couple of weeks to make it over the US/Canada border) I noticed that they had emailed most of my activation codes, but had not included a few of them. (The ones they sent were the same as for BW8). I asked them about it and got this reply: "module activation codes issued for BibleWorks 8 will work for BibleWorks 9. You will only receive new codes if you order additional modules. You will, of course, receive a new code for BibleWorks 9. "
I couldn't figure out how they decided which ones to send -- they sent some for modules I bought several years ago, and didn't send the one for the one I purchased most recently.

At any rate, the moral of the tale is, don't worry.

--Jim

Mark Eddy
10-16-2011, 10:54 PM
3. Can I keep BW 8 installed while I install/run BW 9, or must I uninstall BW 8 first?
During beta testing I left BW8 on my laptop, so that I could continue to use it in public presentations, while I did most of my work in BW9. I had no problems. There was only one issue, as Michael H. mentioned: after installing BW9, every time I switched versions between 8 and 9 I was prompted to allow the program to make some changes. I always clicked "yes" or "OK," and the programs always properly made whatever changes were needed. Since I was told that after installing BW9 you cannot use the uninstall function of BW8 to uninstall it (since that would wipe out some files which are shared by both BW8 and BW9), I have left BW8 on my laptop (unused for the last couple months), and I have had no problems with BW9. But, if someone has a problem with BW8 in the future, I plan to launch BW8 to check it out. But if you have hard drive space issues, there is really no reason to keep BW8, so I would uninstall it first before installing BW9. All your user-created files are saved in the BW8 folder after uninstalling, and BW9's migrate function should find them and add them to BW9 without too much problem.
Mark Eddy

Adelphos
10-16-2011, 10:56 PM
By the way, perhaps I ought to clarify about my position on the manuscript project. The fact that I won't be making much use of them doesn't mean that I don't think the project is worthwhile. It's just that I've stared at and collated enough manuscripts in my time that I'm not sure I ever want to look at another manuscript again.

As far as I know, I am the only living human who had collated B, Aleph and a few other manuscripts in the NT by the early 2000's. This took me more than five years, and my only real mistake was recording my results in various formats at different times instead of in one format and one place. In fact, some of my recording was done in my BW notes.

Of course, even had I recorded my data systematically, it still would have been no where near as good or efficient as Swanson's published collations were. And Swanson, of course, collated many more manuscripts than I. I know there are some errors in Swanson, but not even a computer could perform that task without errors. I know what I'm talking about.

At any rate, the issue is -- and has been -- settled with me for many years now. And as I said, I don't even want to look at another manuscript at this stage.

So while I have no personal interest in the manuscript project, I think it's great that BW is systematizing them into a readable/searchable format and thus preserving the texts and making them available to a wide audience instead of just to a certain section of the scholarly elite.

So -- not that they'd ever ask -- but I've seen enough manuscripts texts (ever letter, in fact) that BW couldn't pay me enough to help them with that particular task. And that ain't hyperbole.

However, I will be happy to show them how to write the code to put a "Close" button in the Ermie dialog. -:)

Dan Phillips
10-17-2011, 08:51 AM
Scott: Just out of curiosity, Dan, how big is the HD on your netbook and how much did BW take up?

I'm thinking about just leaving BW 8 on my netbook, albeit I'm probably going to be getting a new netbook soon, so I'll have to see which BW version I want to install then.


I seldom view this thread from my netbook and am afraid that if I wait to check it, I'll just never answer you! Sorry, I know how I am. )c:

So I'll say that IIRC it's a 350GB HD Acer, we really love it. BW9 did not take up that much of it, left plenty for pictures of castles and Stonehenge and all. (c:

Of course it runs a bit slower than a full-bore dtop with buckets of RAM, but it really was not a problem.

Hope that's some kind of help.

Adelphos
10-17-2011, 10:11 AM
Thanks, Dan. That's encouraging to know.

bkMitchell
10-17-2011, 10:38 AM
Hello Adelphos,

I have been running BibleWorks9 on (a two year old) Toshiba NetbookUX/25KWH since this summer (before that I had version 8 on it).
It's spec are not that great: 10.1 inch screen CPU, Atom N280/1.66GHz(512KB), 2GB RAM, 250GB Hard drive, Windows 7 Home 32bit.
AND, I haven't been able to discern any noticeable difference between running BW9 on my home computer and how it performs on my netbook.

If you buy a new netbook even the cheapest model should easily out do my old in terms of performance. I am positive that BibleWorks9 or any other version of it will run more than well on any new netbook you get.

Adelphos
10-17-2011, 10:57 AM
If you buy a new netbook even the cheapest model should easily out do my old in terms of performance. I am positive that BibleWorks9 or any other version of it will run more than well on any new netbook you get.

Thanks for the info, Brian.

BW is one of the few major commercial programs (at least that I've encountered) that still supports a 1024x600 resolution, and as far as I know, that's all the old netbooks had, so I'm glad BW hasn't changed that. Of course, some of the newer netbooks support larger screen resolutions, and that's a major factor with me if I buy another one.

bkMitchell
10-17-2011, 11:15 AM
Thanks for the info, Brian.
BW is one of the few major commercial programs (at least that I've encountered) that still supports a 1024x600 resolution, and as far as I know, that's all the old netbooks had, so I'm glad BW hasn't changed that. Of course, some of the newer netbooks support larger screen resolutions, and that's a major factor with me if I buy another one.

I am not sure, but I also think BibleWorks is one of the few programs these days that don't require lots of RAM to run.

Adelphos
10-17-2011, 11:56 AM
I am not sure, but I also think BibleWorks is one of the few programs these days that don't require lots of RAM to run.

If you open Task Manager and choose the second tab, "Processes", you can see how BW fares with other open programs memory-wise. On my system, BW is in the same range as Word, Excel, Access, etc. IOW, the RAM footprint is not that big.

Adelphos
10-17-2011, 02:56 PM
During beta testing I left BW8 on my laptop, so that I could continue to use it in public presentations, while I did most of my work in BW9. I had no problems. There was only one issue, as Michael H. mentioned: after installing BW9, every time I switched versions between 8 and 9 I was prompted to allow the program to make some changes. I always clicked "yes" or "OK," and the programs always properly made whatever changes were needed. Since I was told that after installing BW9 you cannot use the uninstall function of BW8 to uninstall it (since that would wipe out some files which are shared by both BW8 and BW9), I have left BW8 on my laptop (unused for the last couple months), and I have had no problems with BW9.

In view of this information, and since it appears that BW 9 can go on a netbook without too much problem, I think it best to uninstall BW 8.