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bkMitchell
07-19-2011, 10:39 AM
If you haven't done so already please take some time to share encouragement, appreciation, and feedback to the staff and programmers of BibleWorks. Remember, Bibleworks it's just the software being licensed; it's a service, a mission, and team. It is also probably the smallest BibleSoftware company as well(only 7 individuals). But, that's besides the point. Please, take a minute or two to be considerate enough to mention at least one thing you think the programmers and staff have done well this time. If, you just have to say something critical try to sandwich that comment between two positive ones. Keep in mind that BibleWorks isn't out to make mega bucks, but to service men and women of faith by providing the tools to help them rightly divide the word of truth at a price way below it's net worth.

bkMitchell
07-19-2011, 11:18 AM
To: BibleWorks' Programmers and staff,


Congratulations and thank you all your hard-work and effort! I hope, you all get some rest and relaxation because you all surely deserve it.

Frankly, it is hard for me to fathom the amount of time, effort, resources that must have been invested into MSS project. Implementing the CNTTS apparatus into BW was also no mean feat and then offering it for no extra charge! I also, enjoy reading through the totally revised help files! The WTT audio feature was also a big surprise for me.

The fact that you all have once again taken the time to proof read through the Greek and Hebrew texts is one of the big reasons I chose and will continue to chose BW. The quality and fidelity of BW's Greek and Hebrew texts and morphological brother texts is far superior than what I have found else where and is reason alone to purchase a BW license.
THANK YOU ALL, AGAIN.

GRACE and PEACE,
Brian

brainout
07-19-2011, 12:33 PM
If you haven't done so already please take some time to share encouragement, appreciation, and feedback to the staff and programmers of BibleWorks. Remember, Bibleworks it's just the software being licensed; it's a service, a mission, and team. It is also probably the smallest BibleSoftware company as well(only 7 individuals). But, that's besides the point. Please, take a minute or two to be considerate enough to mention at least one thing you think the programmers and staff have done well this time. If, you just have to say something critical try to sandwich that comment between two positive ones. Keep in mind that BibleWorks isn't out to make mega bucks, but to service men and women of faith by providing the tools to help them rightly divide the word of truth at a price way below it's net worth.



I can't live without BibleWorks. Every day I try to encourage people to get it. I make hundreds of videos showing its many features, partly for that purpose. Happily, some who watch those videos are buying the software, too.

When I get a chance to 'digest' the BW 8 I just bought, I'll get BW9!

I also have a separate full version of BW5, and it prompted my entry here. I've long searched BW on typed numbers, and got Scriptures which did not have the numbers in them. For example, just now, I typed '1260' and '1290', and got a slew of verses, but only the ones we all know, actually had the numbers in them. So why did I get the other verses, too?

Turns out that if you type in a number (digits) you not only get the number or text number you were looking for, but you ALSO get the Strong's number. In short, you pull up all the verses which have a word with that STRONG'S number in it.

I don't use Strong's, but many do. This should be a useful feature for them.

Love BibleWorks. Worth a fortune, both now and in the world to come!

THANK YOU, BIBLE WORKS PEOPLE! YOU ARE ALWAYS IN MY PRAYERS!

ISalzman
07-19-2011, 01:14 PM
I've said it over and over again, but I'll say it here as well: BibleWorks is the single greatest bible software platform on the planet. The Word of God certainly needs no commendation from us. But BibleWorks enhances the sheer exhilaration and joy that come from studying God's matchless word. Thanks too to all the great BibleWorks people for caring this much and being as committed as they are to God's word and His people.

Eric
07-20-2011, 02:48 PM
See this post (http://www.bibleworks.com/forums/showthread.php?4984-BibleWorks-9-Icons-Horrible-Quality&p=25711#post25711): for my comment...

Dale A. Brueggemann
07-20-2011, 03:21 PM
Always love the new versions, and consider the upgrade great value for price. This is no exception. And the upgrade install went smooth as can be. The only glitch was something I didn't notice, and an email to BW service got that sorted right away.

Now if we can just get the same level of text-critical tools for the real Bible--you know the one to which they've appended that thin, though inspired, commentary in Greek. It's making me hungry for the same resources for the Tanakh.

ISalzman
07-20-2011, 03:39 PM
Now if we can just get the same level of text-critical tools for the real Bible--you know the one to which they've appended that thin, though inspired, commentary in Greek. It's making me hungry for the same resources for the Tanakh.

A beautiful way of putting it, Dale.

Irving

Joan Korte
07-20-2011, 04:40 PM
What is not to like!

Yes, a great big thanks to the BibleWorks staff. I cannot begin to imagine the time and energy that was invested in creating BW9.

Installation was easy and the fact that nine codes were already entered for me made my day; my only glitch was trying and failing to type in a 16 digit code (that was sent to me :D) for a module that was already unlocked. LOL. I tried a few of the external links to Logos 4 and, success! Great job!

Eutychus
07-23-2011, 03:22 PM
I received BibleWorks 9 last evening. I installed it immediately and have been enjoying it ever since. Not sure what the controversy about the icons was. The new ones are much better. I do however miss my favorite splash screen at 6:00 pm that was on BW8:).

pbob
07-27-2011, 02:13 PM
Y'all have done a fantastic work. BW9 is marvelous -- thank you for all the hard work and creative output. It is rather stunning.

HisExcellentWord
07-27-2011, 05:39 PM
I received BibleWorks 9 last evening. I installed it immediately and have been enjoying it ever since. Not sure what the controversy about the icons was. The new ones are much better. I do however miss my favorite splash screen at 6:00 pm that was on BW8:).

If you look closer at the icons, you'll see what all of the fuss was about. The icons are very poor quality, considering the software is very good. You'll see that several of the icons are jagged, have white background instead of transparency, are not sharp looking, etc. Each icon actually has a separate problem/issue. Actually, as far as clarity, the older icons are better. They're just simpler and smaller, but not poor quality.

Having said that, I absolutely love the BibleWorks 9 program icon (the one you click on to start the program). It is very beautiful/attractive and high quality. This is, by the way, one of the reasons I was so shocked by the poor quality of the program's interface icons. The splash images are also very nice. It is yet another reason to be shocked by the high contrast in the (lack of) quality (in the) interface icons.

The program itself is excellent and I am obviously happy that I purchased the software. But, like roshka, it is hard to "show off" the program with such ugly icons.

Dale A. Brueggemann
07-27-2011, 07:02 PM
...several of the icons are jagged, have white background instead of transparency, are not sharp looking...

The icons do not have a white background, I checked closely on my high resolution monitor, on which I do lots of photo editing. Same for the supposed jagginess. Just for a lark, I went to several other programs I run, and BW 9 icons were the best looking of the lot, on all counts (including MS Word, for example). For another example, they look nicer than those here in this forum. I think you just have poor aesthetic judgment.

HisExcellentWord
07-27-2011, 08:11 PM
The icons do not have a white background, I checked closely on my high resolution monitor, on which I do lots of photo editing. Same for the supposed jagginess. Just for a lark, I went to several other programs I run, and BW 9 icons were the best looking of the lot, on all counts (including MS Word, for example). For another example, they look nicer than those here in this forum. I think you just have poor aesthetic judgment.

I don't know what icons you are looking at. If you open up BibleWorks 9 and go to View > Toolbar and chose Large Toolbar.

#1, the "Buttonbar Setup" icon's wrench has white background
#2, the "Setup Window" icon has specs of white toward the top and bottom of the actual wrench, as well as a faint blue square background
#3, the "Open BibleWorks RTF Editor" icon has bright blue and white specs in the left of the icon and also has a faint blue square background
#4, the "Set Text Compare Options" icon is the worst, with jagged edges, white specs that don't belong, poor quality icon over-all and faint blue square background
#5, the "Open Diagrammer" icon has white specs off to the side of the icon that don't belong, white borders around the alpha and book that don't belong and a faint blue square background
#6, the "Open Parallel Hebrew/LXX" icon is in the same situation as the "Open Diagrammer" icon
#7, the "Open Flashcard Module" has the faint blue square background
#8, the "KWIC/Collocation Tables" icon has the faint blue square background
#9, the "GSE Search" icon has the faint blue square background
#10, the "BibleWorks Map Module" icon has the faint blue square background
#11, the "Lexicons" icon is in the same situation as the "Open Diagrammer" icon
#12, the "Open Resource Summary Window" icon has the faint blue square background
#13, the "Edit External Links" icon has a white background to the chain and a faint blue square background
#14, the "Clone Bibleworks" icon has both white and faint blue square background that don't belong
#15, the "Synopsis Tool" has white around the arrows and spheres, is generally speaking jagged, and appears to have the faint blue square background
#16, the "Parallel Versions" icon is in the same situation as the "Open Diagrammer" icon
#17, the "Popup Verse Copy Window" icon has the faint blue square background
#18, the "Keyboard Layouts" icon has white background
#19, the "New Browse Window" icon has white background
#20, the "Synchronize Windows" icon has white border around the arrows and is slightly jagged
#21, the "BibleWorks Keyboard" icon has the faint blue square background
#22, the "Verse History" icon has white specs on the left side of the arrow and has the faint blue square background
#23, the "Word History" icon is in the same situation as the "Verse History" icon

...The only way BibleWorks 9 interface icons would look better than your MS Word program is if you are running MS Word 95. Other than that, you've got to be kidding. And I have tons of programs on my computer, from Microsoft, Adobe and many open source programs. BibleWorks 9 - by far - looks the worst. Even my open source GIMP 2.6 looks far better in it's interface icons.

Y'all can say that such criticisms are not Christ-like. The Bible is full of constructive criticisms. The Lord even uses Holy sarcastic criticisms of His rebellious or apostate people. It is not un-Christ-like to criticise or to use forms of sarcasm.

BibleWorks is in business. Business people need to have tougher skin than I have seen evidenced here on the forums. Too many of you are just "enabling" them to reject fair criticisms.

bkMitchell
07-27-2011, 09:54 PM
Hello HisExcellentWord,




Y'all can say that such criticisms are not Christ-like. The Bible is full of constructive criticisms. The Lord even uses Holy sarcastic criticisms of His rebellious or apostate people. It is not un-Christ-like to criticize or to use forms of sarcasm.

(1) It is true that the various canons of Scripture (Jewish, Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant) do contain sarcasm.
(2) Whether or not it is Christ-like or unChrist-like to do something is beyond the scope of this thread.
(3) If you are interested in discussing theology the off-topic section of the forums is a great place to do that. But, this thread is really not about christian theology or philosophies.



BibleWorks is in business. Business people need to have tougher skin than I have seen evidenced here on the forums. Too many of you are just "enabling" them to reject fair criticisms.

(1) If you write to BibleWorks directly I am sure they would be more than happy to accept some constructive criticism.
(2) You are also welcomed to start your own thread or discussion group on these forums to talk with more like-minded people.
(3) The members of these forums are not necessarily business people.
(4) Dermatology is irrelevant to this thread.

HisExcellentWord
07-27-2011, 10:48 PM
...(4) Dermatology is irrelevant to this thread.

:rolleyes::D

bkMitchell
07-27-2011, 11:25 PM
:rolleyes::D

I am glad you liked my sarcasm. And, although I know you meant the 'though skin' remark figuratively, I have meet people who literally and most likely figuratively have thick skin.

I went to university in a rural west Texas town and while there I met traditional craftsmen and farmers. When, shaking their hands I was often criticized both for having a weak grip and soft-skin! I am thankful that they were Christ-like and Godly men as some of the 60 year old men there had grips that could probably break every bone in my hand.

Now, I am guilty for going off of topic.

MBushell
07-28-2011, 09:22 PM
BibleWorks is in business. Business people need to have tougher skin than I have seen evidenced here on the forums. Too many of you are just "enabling" them to reject fair criticisms.

When we receive criticisms we always ask ourselves two questions: (1) do we personally as a company agree with the criticisms and (2) do most of our users, and especially those whose advice has been helpful in the past, agree with the criticisms. If a criticism fails on both counts. as this one does, we do not devote resources to it, especially when disgruntled users have the option of reverting to previous program behavior.

A strange turn for a thread started by someone to invite people to express appreciation for BibleWorks.

Sansom48
07-28-2011, 10:24 PM
I was trying to wait to post in this thread till I had more time to devote to learning about the new features of BW. However, I guess now is as good a time as any. I can honestly say that I do not work on many forums, actually only two others, both of which are non-technical. This is the first forum that I was ever a member of, and I got on here just to ask a question, I have been almost hooked ever since. The help I received not just from the staff but also the other users for me has been absolutely unparalleled by any company I have ever been involved with or had products with. With this I have found that BW 9 for me has been tremendous. For those of us who enjoy textual criticism this latest addition has already become my standard for this. This addition of the textual critical resources has been very vital for me. I am a pastor, I only have my m. div degree and don't always have a lot of time, but to be able to look at the manuscripts and look at the cntts database in the move of a mouse is incredible. The "use" tab has also been an invaluable tool as for me, 50% of my searches were done like this with just simple word searches, to have this already displayed for me has been a big help. For a pastor this software has been a very large help and I look forward to see what the future holds.

bkMitchell
07-29-2011, 12:04 AM
Installation was easy and the fact that nine codes were already entered for me made my day

:DAMEN! and :)AMEN!
I had, forgotten about that! That, new feature was a pleasant surprise.

bkMitchell
07-29-2011, 12:07 AM
I can't live without BibleWorks. Every day I try to encourage people to get it. I make hundreds of videos showing its many features, partly for that purpose. Happily, some who watch those videos are buying the software, too.

brainout, if you are still around these forums would mind posting a link to some of those videos.

bkMitchell
07-29-2011, 12:37 AM
Always love the new versions, and consider the upgrade great value for price. This is no exception...
Now if we can just get the same level of text-critical tools for the real Bible--you know the one to which they've appended that thin, though inspired, commentary in Greek. It's making me hungry for the same resources for the Tanakh.

It, would be great to have something like The Leningrad Codex: A Facsimile Edition available in BW MSS project. In my opinion this would be even better than having the DeadSea scrolls, being that most modern translations and the BHS are based on the Leningrad.


Take a look at the older photo-facsimile found at Wikimedia:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Codex_Leningradensis

And, Seforim online:
http://www.seforimonline.org/seforimdb/index.php?table_name=seforim_database&function=details&where_field=id&where_value=264


However, as it stands I firmly believe that BibleWorks has become the tool; no serious Minister, NT scholar, Exegete, or Textual critic can afford to be without.

roshka
08-07-2011, 04:13 PM
When we receive criticisms we always ask ourselves two questions: (1) do we personally as a company agree with the criticisms and (2) do most of our users, and especially those whose advice has been helpful in the past, agree with the criticisms. If a criticism fails on both counts. as this one does, we do not devote resources to it, especially when disgruntled users have the option of reverting to previous program behavior.

A strange turn for a thread started by someone to invite people to express appreciation for BibleWorks.

Why don't you actually address the facts of post #13? It doesn't matter if you agree - as a company or otherwise - with the criticisms. If the criticisms are valid, they are valid. You can wish the problems away all you want, but they are still there. Second, "most of your users" are not on these forums. ...Your two "tests" do not have much substance to them at all and certainly fall really short of how most serious businesses evaluate anything.

MBushell
08-08-2011, 08:04 AM
Why don't you actually address the facts of post #13? It doesn't matter if you agree - as a company or otherwise - with the criticisms. If the criticisms are valid, they are valid. You can wish the problems away all you want, but they are still there. Second, "most of your users" are not on these forums. ...Your two "tests" do not have much substance to them at all and certainly fall really short of how most serious businesses evaluate anything.

"If the criticisms are valid, they are valid." True enough, but someone has to judge whether they are valid or not and any "serious" business would use the same procedures that we have used. I honestly do not understand your adversarial attitude.

Button bitmaps are not designed to be viewed close up. Professionally designed bitmaps depend on the blending that the eye provides automatically at a distance. While some of the bitmaps could be cleaned up a bit, none warrant the scathing comments. Most were designed by a professional graphic arts company that does this sort of thing professionally. There may very well be some issues on some systems that have modified the system background colors. The Windows API does not support transparent bitmaps for 32 bit images and we had to work around that. We will take a look at how this interacts with non-default Windows color schemes, but in the mean time I would suggest that you work on being helpful rather than accusatory. This is a self-help forum and many of the bitmap comments were not made to help anyone.

I would also suggest that you register further comments along these lines to technical support. This is not the proper venue for venting. This is not a moderated forum and your comments may or may not be heard by BibleWorks staff. Some BibleWorks employees frequent this forum out of curiosity and a desire to help. Others do not and this thread is one reason why.

bobvenem
08-09-2011, 09:19 AM
FWIW, I have a 22-inch widescreen DVI monitor, and have examined the screen display of BW9 with a Bausch & Lomb magnifying glass. I can see no ghosts or artifacts around the new icons; they all look sharp and clean.

Perhaps the problem is with the users' monitors rather than the software?

bkMitchell
08-09-2011, 10:39 AM
On, a positive note BibleWorks9 allows one to:

Revert back to BibleWorks' classic tool-bar and icons

Remove the tool bar completely
Use the new icons (small format)
use the new icons (larger format)
individually add and remove icons
I think it is even possible to customize the your own icon arrangement/order

cew
08-09-2011, 12:18 PM
this is tremendous. i cannot believe ive gone without. i had thought to go accordance, mainly because i didnt want to pay for all the korean, finnish, etc versions, was but am so glad i took the leap. the hebrew is beautiful, thorough, even the talmud, which wasnt even listed as a gain.

i am having a blast just exploring all the things it can do. and the service phone guy really helpful and supportive. it is intuitive with clicking for comparisons. :):):o me happy, even more immersed in the bible than i thought possible on a computer. cew

ISalzman
08-09-2011, 01:44 PM
Good for you, CEW. It is a great program. To try BibleWorks is to love it. Enjoy!

arggem
08-09-2011, 03:40 PM
Welcome to BW and to the forums, cew!

brainout
04-08-2012, 02:28 PM
brainout, if you are still around these forums would mind posting a link to some of those videos.

LOL just found this request, sorry for the delay! Forgot to subscribe to the thread! I'm still around, but now forgot what videos I meant when typing that post, earlier in this thread. What video links did you want me to post? At this point there are over 700, and Youtube is now dysfunctional, so it takes forever to find a given video. Tell me the topic you want, and I'll post a video link on it. I'm known as 'brainouty' in Youtube.

PS I specialize in exegesis videos, to get my audience interested in learning Bible in the original mss. -- using BibleWorks. Some (20? 30?) of my subscribers have bought Bibleworks as a result, so they tell me. Hence, later in 2012, I'll be doing videos showing them some tips and tricks in using it better. Just posted the first one, yesterday, but the resolution didn't come out right (I used my netbook, where BW8 resides). Already over 10 people have watched it, which surprises me. So this is a topic I must cover in the future.