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jimofbentley
06-13-2011, 01:29 AM
I have had the print version of BAGD (2nd edition) and have used it regularly for 20 years or so. I was thinking of purchasing either the BW add on or the print version of BDAG (3rd edition).

For the average pastor, who uses his Greek regularly but by no means is a "specialist" in Greek, is the 3rd edition worth the cost? ($150. Or $212 as an add on if I also buy HALOT - which I probably would).

Thanks for your comments.

bobvenem
06-13-2011, 10:21 AM
Yes, they are worth it. Their completeness can be a bit overwhelming, but the timeliness of the research makes them valuable (I'd buy both; the price is right).

Adelphos
06-13-2011, 12:26 PM
For the average pastor, who uses his Greek regularly but by no means is a "specialist" in Greek, is the 3rd edition worth the cost? ($150. Or $212 as an add on if I also buy HALOT - which I probably would).

The 3rd edition print is far nicer than the 2nd edition, and much easier to read and search through, so if you prefer plain old books, it is definitely worth it, IMO.

However, if you do most of your work on the compter, then by all means you should go with the BibleWorks combo, as you get two values almost for the price of one.

The real issue is where you spend most of your time, i.e., in books or on the computer. If the latter, go with the BibleWorks combo.

Lee
06-13-2011, 01:18 PM
I suppose the answer will vary with personal opinion, but I have both the print and BW versions of BDAG (3rd edition), and I think it's money well spent. It's definitely the standard, and I concur with the comments above. Since you already have BAGD in print, you might just get the BW version of BDAG--and yes, do get it with HALOT.

MGVH
06-13-2011, 01:21 PM
We recommend to our students that they get BDAG, but a good alternative that we also recommend is the Exegetical Dictionary of the NT which is also available in BW.

jimofbentley
06-13-2011, 08:50 PM
We recommend to our students that they get BDAG, but a good alternative that we also recommend is the Exegetical Dictionary of the NT which is also available in BW.

Thanks Mark (and all the others). I have the print edition of EDNT and find it very helpful.

Michael Hanel
06-15-2011, 11:06 AM
Jim, it sounds like you have already made up your mind, so when you do get the BDAG, here's another helpful article on using it. I know obviously that you know how to use a lexicon, but this does a good job at explaining why the BDAG is not like all other lexica.

http://www.ntresources.com/documents/UsingBDAG.pdf

jimofbentley
06-16-2011, 07:49 PM
Jim, it sounds like you have already made up your mind, so when you do get the BDAG, here's another helpful article on using it. I know obviously that you know how to use a lexicon, but this does a good job at explaining why the BDAG is not like all other lexica.

http://www.ntresources.com/documents/UsingBDAG.pdf


Michael,

Thanks for the great article.

Jim Wert
06-17-2011, 04:56 PM
Jim, it sounds like you have already made up your mind, so when you do get the BDAG, here's another helpful article on using it. I know obviously that you know how to use a lexicon, but this does a good job at explaining why the BDAG is not like all other lexica.
http://www.ntresources.com/documents/UsingBDAG.pdf

I found this article to be very useful.
Is there anyone out there who could/would recommend a similar treatment of HALOT? (especially the historical discussion of where it fits among its peers.)

By the way, MVGH, I bought the BW Exegetical Dictionary of the NT about a year ago; find that I use it more than BDAG; its slant is more useful to me as a rank amateur. (Just like I often get more from TWOT than from HALOT).

jimofbentley
06-17-2011, 09:47 PM
By the way, MVGH, I bought the BW Exegetical Dictionary of the NT about a year ago; find that I use it more than BDAG; its slant is more useful to me as a rank amateur. (Just like I often get more from TWOT than from HALOT).

For study in the Hebrew Bible, I also find the following to be very helpful:

Theological Lexicon of the Old Testament (Jenni & Westermann)

New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis (VanGemeren)

(Having these two are "probably" why I wouldn't buy HALOT on its own).

However, my wife did say that if I really wanted both BDAG and HALOT she would count it as both my Christmas and Birthday presents for the year.

And, it is nearly the end of the financial year here in Australia, so I will be putting my income tax return in next month (they are all deductible).

And, the Australian dollar is very high compared to the US dollar ($1.05 - the highest in 25 years. Just a few years ago the Aussie dollar was as low as $0.50 - now that made books expensive).

I am so close to convincing myself! :D

arggem
06-18-2011, 10:39 AM
What??? You have your wife's blessing and you are still deliberating?:confused:

jimofbentley
06-22-2011, 05:53 AM
At my loving wife's insistence, I went ahead and purchased both BDAG and HALOT.

I decided to go with the print edition even though it would be double the cost than as a BW add on.

My reasons are simple:

1) I prefer books, which I think I have mentioned before.

2) My doctor has warned me that I need to stop using the computer so much as it isn't good for me with my personal health issues. So, books it is.

I ordered through Amazon as they were not even available here in Australia, (well, not that I could find) and even our nation wide Christian bookstore didn't have them in stock. They would order them, but it would cost double Amazon's price, and take three months. (On most things they are very competitive - but HALOT and BDAG are a bit to "specialist" for them).

Thank you everyone for your advice, I am sure that it is well worth it, and I am looking forward to their arrival in 2-3 weeks (not months) time.

Adelphos
06-22-2011, 07:38 AM
I decided to go with the print edition even though it would be double the cost than as a BW add on.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of HALOT, even though I have both the print and BW edition.

With regard to BDAG, since you've suffered through the 2nd edition for so long, I believe you are going to be EXTREMELY pleased with the third edition. There is no comparison, format-wise.

And whatever your health condition is (and I am myself very sympathetic to health conditions), I'll put that in my prayers to the Lord Jesus for you.

jimofbentley
06-22-2011, 08:21 PM
And whatever your health condition is (and I am myself very sympathetic to health conditions), I'll put that in my prayers to the Lord Jesus for you.

My GP calls it, "Temporary Epileptic Amnesia".

My neurosurgeon calls it, "Temporal Lobe Epilepsy".

Tablets control the seizures (which impact upon memory rather than the "typical" epileptic seizures), but I need to avoid too much computer work (and thus I felt it better to buy the books) and too much TV (but there is hardly anything worth watching anyway - but I do enjoy The Closer and the occassional Major League Baseball game).

And - thank you for your prayers.

ISalzman
06-22-2011, 08:56 PM
...but I need to avoid too much computer work (and thus I felt it better to buy the books) and too much TV (but there is hardly anything worth watching anyway - but I do enjoy The Closer and the occassional Major League Baseball game.

You could also, I suppose, catch the occasional rerun of 'Skippy the Bush Kangaroo!"

jimofbentley
06-23-2011, 02:11 AM
You could also, I suppose, catch the occasional rerun of 'Skippy the Bush Kangaroo!"

I could do - it is still on TV - but it would be like watching reruns of Lassie. You can only take so much of it!

ISalzman
06-23-2011, 10:49 AM
I could do - it is still on TV - but it would be like watching reruns of Lassie. You can only take so much of it!

I hear you. But, alas, I haven't seen nary an episode since my childhood. So if it ever came to the screen near me, I would watch it for old-time sake.

jimofbentley
07-01-2011, 04:55 AM
Thank you everyone for your advice, I am sure that it is well worth it, and I am looking forward to their arrival in 2-3 weeks (not months) time.

The books arrived today.

9 days from the USA to Australia - not bad.

Although I have had only a quick look - and by the way, to paraphrase the line from a certain movie "I love the smell of a new book in the morning" - I particularly like the way BDAG puts the primary definitions in bold print, as well as putting the Bible references in bold print. It is a great help.