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Lee
05-16-2011, 12:22 PM
I'm not sure if this is a bug, or if I'm not doing something right. But when I am in WTT and try to access anywhere in Judges from the command line, it throws me into BYZ at Matthew 1:1, and tells me it cannot find the verse reference.

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I can type out "Judges" in its entirety, and it still does the same thing. I first observed the problem several months ago. If I knew it were a bug, I would report it; but if I am doing something wrong, I would appreciate any advice.

EDIT: I'm not sure why the photo is showing twice.

Nick Laurence
05-16-2011, 01:08 PM
Try typing jdg instead.

Dale A. Brueggemann
05-16-2011, 01:23 PM
I tried it on mine, and it worked correctly. And I can't see what typing "jdg" would have to do with this problem, since your command line parser accepts several versions of the book name, including the whole name as well as standard abbreviations.

One thought I had was that you had search limits on to the New Testament, but your status bar at the bottom shows no such limit. So I don't know.

Nick Laurence
05-16-2011, 01:35 PM
Hmm... I used to have problems searching in Judges as I would absent-mindedly type "jud" and get either an error message or a search in the letter of Jude. I've tried reproducing this error, and now can't get it (although I do get searches in Jude). So, I've trained myself to use "jdg" instead, and presumed this was the solution. But as I now can't replicate my error, I'm a little lost.

arggem
05-16-2011, 01:38 PM
Jdg is the official BW 3-letter abbreviation for the book. (Jud = Jude).

You can, however, add several other aliases for the book name. Goto Tools/options/Bible Versions/ Book names.

There you will see a window with several columns. The first is the unchangeable official code. The second is how you want it to appear in the Browse window. The third is how you want it to appear when you export it, followed by 6 alias columns. All of these will be parsed to Judges.

To change any of the entries (and of course, you can add judg!) Edit: just double click on column one of that entry.

Post back if you have any more issues.

ISalzman
05-16-2011, 01:40 PM
Lee, in your pictures, your search version is set as BYZ. Therefore any searches performed from the Command Line will reference BYZ. It takes you to Matthew 1:1, since that is the first verse reference in BYZ.

Try typing WTT on your Command Line first, hit enter. Then try to access anywhere in Judges. It should work now. What you in essence have to do first is set WTT as your search version.

Lee
05-16-2011, 02:15 PM
Lee, in your pictures, your search version is set as BYZ. Therefore any searches performed from the Command Line will reference BYZ. It takes you to Matthew 1:1, since that is the first verse reference in BYZ.

Try typing WTT on your Command Line first, hit enter. Then try to access anywhere in Judges. It should work now. What you in essence have to do first is set WTT as your search version.

No, I already had WTT set as my browse version/search version. When I would enter "Judges" it would throw me into BYZ. Good thought, though.




Try typing jdg instead.

That does it! Still, it's a strange phenomenon. If I am in an English version, I can type "Judges" or "Judg" and it goes straight there with no problem.

Thanks everyone for your input.

ISalzman
05-16-2011, 02:59 PM
Glad you got it working.

Nick Laurence
05-16-2011, 03:57 PM
This is a bit off topic, but it kind of flows. arggem above gave a very useful tip about book names - showing where th elist is. I hadn't known this and found the list fascinating. It contains references to works that I never knew were in BW; but now I need to find them! How can I access, for example, Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho?

Thanks

Jim Wert
05-16-2011, 04:06 PM
Lee,
Have you checked your bna file, as arggem suggested?
judg 16 worked for me; then I went in and removed Judges from the alias file, and got exactly the same result you documented above.
See if Judges is in the bna file; I expect that somehow it got clobbered in your file.

(I tried to paste pictures of the 'BW Options Window' and the 'Edit Book Alias Names' window into this post, but it told me my message was to long. I know there is a much more clumsy way to do it that works, but I couldn't be bothered to jump through all them hoops. Sorry.)

--Jim
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Jim Wert
05-16-2011, 05:14 PM
This is a bit off topic, but it kind of flows. arggem above gave a very useful tip about book names - showing where th elist is. I hadn't known this and found the list fascinating. It contains references to works that I never knew were in BW; but now I need to find them! How can I access, for example, Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho?

I leave Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho as an exercise for you; I will point out that the list includes things that do not come with the basic product.
I'll mention only two cases.
- Book names for the documents in the Qumran Sectarian Manuscripts, which is an extra-cost module.
- Book names for the books of Plato's Republic, which is user-created version that can be downloaded here http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/?page_id=138 , along with 80+ other versions.
(Some of these are now included in BW8, so be careful you don't accidentally overwrite one of the existing BW8 versions.)
(Be sure that the version you are installing does not use the same version identifier as an existing version. I once accidentally replaced CAB (Castilian Bible version) with a download from the bibleworks blog also named CAB (Complete Apostles' Bible). The Complete Apostles' Bible now lives in my BibleWorks as ESPO.)
(Also, if you get too many versions, BW will become confused in the Synoptic Tool, and will, semi-randomly, choose additional versions to display in you synopses. 250 versions is too many; I think the threshold is about 245. I have experienced this in both BW8 and BW7, both Windows XP and Windows 7).

--Jim

Lee
05-16-2011, 05:20 PM
Lee,
Have you checked your bna file, as arggem suggested?
judg 16 worked for me; then I went in and removed Judges from the alias file, and got exactly the same result you documented above.
See if Judges is in the bna file; I expect that somehow it got clobbered in your file.

(I tried to paste pictures of the 'BW Options Window' and the 'Edit Book Alias Names' window into this post, but it told me my message was to long. I know there is a much more clumsy way to do it that works, but I couldn't be bothered to jump through all them hoops. Sorry.)

--Jim
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Jim, I tried adding "Judg" as an alias, but still have the same result. And "Judges" is already there as Command Line Alias #2, but entering "Judges" also throws me from WTT to BYZ.

Nick Laurence
05-16-2011, 06:02 PM
I leave Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho as an exercise for you; I will point out that the list includes things that do not come with the basic product.
I'll mention only two cases.
- Book names for the documents in the Qumran Sectarian Manuscripts, which is an extra-cost module.
- Book names for the books of Plato's Republic, which is user-created version that can be downloaded here http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/?page_id=138 , along with 80+ other versions.
(Some of these are now included in BW8, so be careful you don't accidentally overwrite one of the existing BW8 versions.)
(Be sure that the version you are installing does not use the same version identifier as an existing version. I once accidentally replaced CAB (Castilian Bible version) with a download from the bibleworks blog also named CAB (Complete Apostles' Bible). The Complete Apostles' Bible now lives in my BibleWorks as ESPO.)
(Also, if you get too many versions, BW will become confused in the Synoptic Tool, and will, semi-randomly, choose additional versions to display in you synopses. 250 versions is too many; I think the threshold is about 245. I have experienced this in both BW8 and BW7, both Windows XP and Windows 7).

--Jim

Thanks for the subtle hints, but I've spent several hours searching with nil result (except extreme frustration!). Here are some things that I have tried/explored:
1) The BW helpscreens - really no help. "Justin" is found just once under a reference to APE. But on opening APE there is no Justin Martyr.
2) BW website - module search - nothing obvious.
3) Forum search - nothing very clear. Some reference to ANF, which I don't have (or I can't find it). Some atrocious spelling "AntiNicene Fathers"!
4) The Bibleworks Blog - I thought I might have it here, although I get very depressed when I have to access this site; I've never managed to get anything to work from here; it's all tremendously complicated and I end up downloading gigabytes of data which never integrate and just clog up my hard drive. Still, under versions I found an "Ante-Nicene Fathers" (someone knows how to spell at least). So I set off downloading it, and then trying to unzip it. I have 2 (tremendously complicated) unzip programmes (Zipeg and 7-Zip), both of which found the file corrupted and unreadable. Oh well, another fail!

Was this last one your hint?

If anyone knows of an unzip programme (preferably free) where you don't have to have a degree in computer science to understand how to unzip a file, please let me know (there's a whole host on The Bibleworks Blog, which I've tried and failed to install). But if anyone can help me find Justin Martyr on BW, better still.

Thanks

Nick Laurence
05-16-2011, 06:27 PM
I've managed to do it! By ignoring my unzip programmes and using explorer.

But, does anyone know if Ante Nicene Fathers are available in original languages?

SkipB
05-19-2011, 06:18 PM
Nick if you use the resource menu look under backgrounds you will find Schaff's Early Church Fathers. There is also under the version buttons under Greek the first entry is APF Apostolic Fathers Greek. You can find other patristic materials to add to Bibleworks at http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/

Mark Eddy
05-19-2011, 08:04 PM
But, does anyone know if Ante Nicene Fathers are available in original languages?
Short answer: No, they are not available in Greek or Latin.
Longer answer: Only the Apostolic Fathers are available in Greek. The rest of the ANF are available only in English translation, because the Schaff edition is out of copyright, and so it could be added to BibleWorks at a relatively low expense (except for all the time that Glenn spent getting all the hyperlinks and headings to work right).
Mark Eddy

Mark Eddy
05-19-2011, 08:30 PM
No, I already had WTT set as my browse version/search version. When I would enter "Judges" it would throw me into BYZ.

That does it! Still, it's a strange phenomenon. If I am in an English version, I can type "Judges" or "Judg" and it goes straight there with no problem.

Thanks everyone for your input.
You really did NOT have WTT as a DISPLAY version, since you are in single version mode (only BYZ displays). If WTT had been your display version, you would see one verse in Judges in all your display versions. You made WTT your search version without putting the browse window into multiple-versions mode. If you had done your search in multiple versions mode, you would have gone straight to your verse in Judges. But since you were in single-version mode, with only BYZ displaying, BYZ does not contain the Old Testament, so BW was unable to display your search.
Mark Eddy

Lee
05-19-2011, 10:42 PM
You really did NOT have WTT as a DISPLAY version, since you are in single version mode (only BYZ displays). If WTT had been your display version, you would see one verse in Judges in all your display versions. You made WTT your search version without putting the browse window into multiple-versions mode. If you had done your search in multiple versions mode, you would have gone straight to your verse in Judges. But since you were in single-version mode, with only BYZ displaying, BYZ does not contain the Old Testament, so BW was unable to display your search.
Mark Eddy

I must not be making myself clear. BYZ is in no sense displayed or in use anywhere until after I enter "Judg" or "Judges" in the command line. With WTT as the display version, whether or not in multi-version mode. Let me go ahead and enter that now, and I will give you a before and after.

BEFORE:
868

AFTER:
869