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Kriss
03-20-2011, 05:10 PM
What I am looking for is antichrist finds in the kjv sources.

Bibleworks, being perhaps regarded as one of the best bibletools that have been made on this planet. What i did now was to start a comparation of its and with others kjv bible sources, and i were amazed to see that it also had various errors, and was even worse than the norwegian computer software' version, but of course i haven't seen through all yet, I'm all the way to jug. considering it have been a used application by many "researchers" in the bible field, this should say something?.

I have made some reports about it on http://drupalbible.mikelee.idv.tw/?q=node/25822 , but not included the errors i found in the bible there, because it was much equal with some of the other repports there.

Here is a php converter used wich(isn't fully completed, only made quick for the kjv)
This may be used to make the drupal exports equal to the files i have compared with(using winmerge look at the link above for more information.):


<?php
$s1 = "Gen Exo Lev Num Deu Jos Jdg Rut 1Sa 2Sa 1Ki 2Ki 1Ch 2Ch Ezr Neh Est Job Psa Pro Ecc Sol Isa Jer Lam Eze Dan Hos Joe Amo Oba Jon Mic Nah Hab Zep Hag Zec Mal Mat Mar Luk Joh Act Rom 1Co 2Co Gal Eph Phi Col 1Th 2Th 1Ti 2Ti Tit Phm Heb Jam 1Pe 2Pe 1Jo 2Jo 3Jo Jud Rev 1Es Jdt Tob 1Ma 2Ma 3Ma 4Ma Ode Wis Sip Sir Pss Bar Epj Sus Bel Pra Dng Prm Psx Lao 4Es Esg Jsa Jda Tbs Sut Dat Bet WCF WLC WSC 1Cl 2Cl";
$s2 = "GEN EXO LEV NUM DEU JOS JUG RUT 1SM 2SM 1KG 2KG 1CH 2CH EZR NEH EST JOB PS PRO ECC SON ISA JER LAM EZE DAN HOS JOE AMO OBA JON MIC NAH HAB ZEP HAG ZEC MAL MAT MAK LUK JHN ACT ROM 1CO 2CO GAL EPH PHL COL 1TS 2TS 1TM 2TM TIT PHM HEB JAM 1PE 2PE 1JN 2JN 3JN JUD REV";
$a1 = explode(' ', $s1);
$a2 = explode(' ', $s2);
$testfile = $_GET["f"];

$f_arr = file($testfile);
$fh = fopen($testfile,'r');
$f_arr2 = file("2".$testfile);
$fh2 = fopen("2".$testfile,'w');
$count = count($f_arr);
for($i=0; $i<$count; $i++)
{
$s3 = $f_arr[$i];
if (!strpos($s3, "||")) {
$testfile = $_GET["f"];
$a3 = explode(' ', $s3);
$sum = sizeof($a3);
$bw_namesearch = $a3[0];
$token = array_search($bw_namesearch, $a1);
if ($token !== FALSE) { $bw_name = $a2[$token]; }
else { $bw_name = $bw_namesearch; }
$a3[1] = str_replace(":", "|", $a3[1]); //$token + 1
$subset = array_slice($a3, 2, $sum); //$token + 2
$s3 = $bw_name."|".$a3[1]."||".implode(" ",$subset);
fwrite($fh2,$s3);
}
}
echo "done";
?>I would gladely like some help on this project.

May Gods peace be with you !

Michael Hanel
03-20-2011, 07:20 PM
Make sure you are comparing apples to apples. I don't know what other KJV texts you are comparing, but this is the copyright information for the BW database:


KJV

KJA, KJG Authorized Version (KJV) - 1769 Blayney Edition of the 1611 King James Version of the English Bible - with Larry Pierce's Englishman's-Strong's Numbering System, ASCII version.

Copyright 1988-1997 by the Online Bible Foundation and Woodside Fellowship of Ontario, Canada.

Licensed from the Institute for Creation Research. Used by permission.

Most KJV machine-readable texts (MRTs) are derived from the University of Pennsylvania CCAT (Center for Computer Analysis of Texts). CCAT obtained their KJV MRT from Brigham Young University Humanities Research Center.

This text has been collated in part with another KJV MRT provided by Zondervan Bible Publishers. Using a closely similar KJV MRT obtained from Public Brand Software, Larry Pierce and his volunteer associates at Woodside Fellowship and elsewhere corrected the available KJV MRT to match exactly the British 1769 Blayney Edition of the KJV Authorized Version as printed by Cambridge University Press, claimed to be the most accurate standard.

The KJV Apocrypha, which was part of the 1611 edition, is included as version KJA but is not tagged with Strong's numbers.

If the errors you find are errors which show that the BibleWorks edition doesn't match the source from which it came, that's one thing, but it's completely different if you are comparing this version of the KJV to another.

If you find places where the BibleWorks text does not match this source text, you can let them know by sending an email to dberrors@bibleworks.com

Glenn Weaver
03-21-2011, 10:12 AM
Hi Kriss,

Michael Hanel's comments are correct. There will be differences between KJV texts available on the Internet and in Bible software.

What you must do is begin with a printed text and use that as a standard. The text we have chosen is the Online Bible text that they claim to have done extensive work in proofing to conform to the 1769 Blayney edition printed by Cambridge. It is fine that you are comparing a number of electronic texts, but in the end you will need to compare those differences against a printed text that you use as a standard. It is a time-consuming project to do that, but in the end it is the only way to have accurate results.

I wish you well in your project. If you find places where the KJV text in BibleWorks does not conform to the 1769 Blayney edition printed by Cambridge, please let us know. Because this printed text is our standard, we would not want to make changes to our current KJV text on the basis of differences in other editions or printings of the KJV.

Blessings,
Glenn

Adelphos
03-21-2011, 12:59 PM
If you find places where the KJV text in BibleWorks does not conform to the 1769 Blayney edition printed by Cambridge, please let us know. Because this printed text is our standard, we would not want to make changes to our current KJV text on the basis of differences in other editions or printings of the KJV.

Just as a matter of reference, I have read the Bible through a number of times in my printed KJV since I've owned BibleWorks, and there have been numerous times while reading the printed text that I checked to see if BibleWorks had the same reading, and I have yet to find a single place where BibleWorks differs from my printed edition.

I'm not saying that I have thoroughly proofed the BibleWorks KJV, but I've come pretty close, and so far I have found it to be without error.

Glenn Weaver
03-21-2011, 01:06 PM
Hi Scott,

Thank you for your comment and evaluation. I thought about asking your input on this question, but you beat me to it!

Blessings,
Glenn

Lee
03-21-2011, 01:53 PM
Along similar lines, there appears to be an error in the BW ASV text at Galatians 2:20.

Print ASV "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ liveth in me..."

BW ASV "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me..."

I would say it could be a matter of which edition of the ASV was used, but there only was ever one edition of the ASV.

Glenn Weaver
03-21-2011, 02:08 PM
Hi Lee,

Thank you for the error reports. Occasionally this happens. I expect that the KJV was proofed to a higher degree than a lot of other versions.

For error reports like this, please send them to the dberrors address at bibleworks.com. Error reports posted on the forums are likely to be missed.

Blessings,
Glenn

Lee
03-21-2011, 03:40 PM
Hi Lee,

Thank you for the error reports. Occasionally this happens. I expect that the KJV was proofed to a higher degree than a lot of other versions.

For error reports like this, please send them to the dberrors address at bibleworks.com. Error reports posted on the forums are likely to be missed.

Blessings,
Glenn

Thanks, Glenn. Will do, and I will keep this in mind for the future.

- Lee

bink
03-21-2011, 03:55 PM
Got a message yesterday after clicking 'updates' that showed I had close to at least 100+ updates ready to install dating back to 1/29/2009 'Misc Confessions.' I'm running BW8. I should not be lacking in any updates at all as I look for and install these weekly.

Emailed BW Support but wonder if anyone has any thoughts, ideas on this seeming error. jwb

Adelphos
03-21-2011, 04:03 PM
Got a message yesterday after clicking 'updates' that showed I had close to at least 100+ updates ready to install dating back to 1/29/2009 'Misc Confessions.' I'm running BW8. I should not be lacking in any updates at all as I look for and install these weekly.

Yes, this appears to be a bug. I get the same thing. To fix this for now, after you open the updater, go to Options in the menu and UNcheck "Show downloaded/hidden patches."

EDIT: This has now been fixed in the latest update.

Kriss
03-21-2011, 08:00 PM
What I am doing, is not trusting any humans. check out ISA 2:22 .
I am also considering if all bibles might be affected by antichrist, considering he governs this world now.

How do you all know if the "printed edition" would be any way near correct to the inspired texts (where the originals don't exist anymore). Consider that antichrist also control the company printing the bibles, even the company making newer translation. ASV as named above here is just another example that have lots of such errors, where things are completely changed in meaning, and have things removed just as well.

My point was that i was looking for the truth, and i also wanted to point out these companies. Wich also could be just the same as holding the "original copy of kjv" if it even exists anymore ?
Do someone here for example trust textus receptus ?

Let us trust in God to teach us the way, and look for truth!. (see 1jo 2:27)

Let us join in what really counts, to be with truth instead of the silly human tradition/lies.

May God/Jesus guide us toward the truth/Jesus. Amen

Remember also, antichrist wants us to be occupied with pitty matters, and try to distract us.

Precha1
03-22-2011, 09:41 AM
Yes, this appears to be a bug. I get the same thing. To fix this for now, after you open the updater, go to Options in the menu and UNcheck "Show downloaded/hidden patches."

EDIT: This has now been fixed in the latest update.

This had me puzzled and thinking something may have been wrong with my system. Your insight on how to fix this helped me immensely and saved me tremendous heartache. Thanks.

Glenn Weaver
03-22-2011, 10:22 AM
Hi Kriss,

This forum is only for discussion of BibleWorks and how to use it. If you want to discuss issues of the faithfulness of Bible translations, etc., then you will need to move the discussion over to the non-BibleWorks section of this forum.

Blessings,
Glenn

Mark Eddy
03-23-2011, 12:34 AM
Got a message yesterday after clicking 'updates' that showed I had close to at least 100+ updates ready to install dating back to 1/29/2009 'Misc Confessions.' I'm running BW8. I should not be lacking in any updates at all as I look for and install these weekly.

Emailed BW Support but wonder if anyone has any thoughts, ideas on this seeming error. jwb
I have had this problem too, but in my case it was that I apparently had removed the patches folder from its proper position in the BW8 folder, so BW could not locate the patches which I had downloaded. (I guess I still haven't learned how to use a touch pad, I think I'm just moving the cursor, and all of a sudden "My computer" does something which I did not think I told it to do.) Once I found where the patches file had been relocated, I dragged it back in place, and BW no longer said that I needed any patches.
For what it's worth.
Mark Eddy