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fremes
02-15-2011, 08:29 PM
I am trying to compile a list of every Hebrew word (with vowels) in the
Bible. The list must also be in alphabetical order. However, whether a word occurs twice
or hundreds of times, that word should only occur once on the list. Can BibleWorks program do this? Can you offer some evidence of this?

Thank you.:cool:

Michael Hanel
02-15-2011, 10:48 PM
I am trying to compile a list of every Hebrew word (with vowels) in the
Bible. The list must also be in alphabetical order. However, whether a word occurs twice
or hundreds of times, that word should only occur once on the list. Can BibleWorks program do this? Can you offer some evidence of this?

Thank you.:cool:

In the command line, set your version to WTT
Open up the Word List Manager (Tools: Analyzing the text: Word List Manager).
In the Word List Manager select File and Load List. I believe all the settings should be selected by default to do what you want.
Click Create list.

To sort the list, use the option under the sort menu.

fremes
02-16-2011, 07:15 PM
Michael,

Thank you for replying.

Since I do not have the BibleWorks program. Is it possible you could test whether your instructions do indeed result in with the list which I am seeking. Or how difficult would it be just to populate the entire list which I am looking for and email it to me?

Thank you.:cool:

jimofbentley
02-16-2011, 08:02 PM
In the command line, set your version to WTT
Open up the Word List Manager (Tools: Analyzing the text: Word List Manager).
In the Word List Manager select File and Load List. I believe all the settings should be selected by default to do what you want.
Click Create list.

To sort the list, use the option under the sort menu.

But wouldn't you have to insert a code of somekind to eliminate the Aramaic words to leave only the Hebrew?

Glenn Weaver
02-17-2011, 10:11 AM
Hi Jim,

You are correct. Good catch!
Here are the steps for two different types of lists.

TO GET LEMMAS (WTM)
--In the Word List Manager you would need to add a filter *@*. The @ restricts the list to Hebrew. To get all the Aramaic lemmas, add the filter *%* instead.

TO GET INFLECTED FORMS (WTT)
--First run a search on the Command Line for all words using WTM. Use the search .*@*, since this will search for all Hebrew lemmas. If you wanted to search for Aramaic lemmas, use .*%* instead. Open the Word List Manager, and create a word list from the highlighted search results. Be sure to use WTT as the version. (BibleWorks converts the lemma search from WTM to the text results from WTT.) Check the boxes for Hebrew vowel points and accents as needed. Create the list, and you have all of the inflected forms of all the Hebrew words in the Hebrew Bible. By default they are sorted by frequency. Select Sort to sort them alphabetically.


Blessings,

fremes
02-24-2011, 10:47 PM
Re. BibleWorks
Regarding the list I am tying to compile. (a list of every Hebrew word with vowels in the
Bible. The list must also be in alphabetical order. However, whether a word occurs twice or hundreds of times, that word should only occur once on the list.)
Can the BibleWorks program detect and list homographs of different roots and different Binyanim etc. yet not duplicate not non-homographs? In other words, in the list of every Hebrew word will there appear the following: two words which are identical in everyway except one word is from one root type and the another word is from another root type. E.g. the preterite homographs "he sat" (Gen. 4:15) or "he returned" (Gen. 22:19) etc.. Or similarly, homographs of the kind that one is a generic word and the other a proper name.

Thank you very much for your continued interest.

Glenn Weaver
02-28-2011, 10:18 AM
Greetings!

I am not all-together clear what it is that you are asking, but BibleWorks does distinguish between Hebrew homographs.

It is a bit difficult to describe what type of list BibleWorks 8 can deliver since you are not familiar with the program. Each Hebrew word is tagged with its unique lemma and with the parsing information. It is possible to create lists according to both lemma and form, and sort them according to frequency of occurrence or alphabetically. There are some other functions of the Word List Manager that may be useful to you, but you should first need to become familiar with the program and how BibleWorks handles Hebrew texts.

If you should decide to purchase BibleWorks, our Customer Service department offers free technical support for registered users.

I hope this helps.

Blessings,

fremes
02-28-2011, 12:59 PM
Let me re-phrase my request slightly.

I am trying to complile a list of every Hebrew word with vowels in the Bible. The list must also be in alphabetical order. However, whether a word occurs twice or hundreds of times, that word should only occur once on the list. But detect and list homographs of different roots (e.g. regarding the word "sheves" sometimes the infinitive of the verb 'to sit' or the verb 'to cease') and different Binyanim etc. yet not duplicate not non-homographs?

I just want to know if BibleWorks 8 can assemble such a list. I will figue it out once I get the program.

Thanks Again:cool:

Glenn Weaver
02-28-2011, 01:20 PM
I'm sorry, perhaps if you told us what is the final product that you want to produce, that might help us to understand better.

Blessings,

fremes
03-07-2011, 09:12 PM
Please see the PDF attachment. For the rules governing what is to be included in my list of words from the Bible.

bkMitchell
03-07-2011, 10:42 PM
בסיעתא דשמיא




Please see the PDF attachment. For the rules governing what is to be included in my list of words from the Bible.

"The list must also be in alphabetical order. However, whether a word occurs twice or hundreds of times, that word should only occur once on the list."

Yes, BibleWorks can do that. The WTM database tags words by their root forms and it could easily list a given word only by it's root and give you the number of how many times that one root appears in other forms.

However, in the PDF you gave examples where you'd like two word's with the same שוֹרֶש (root), but different vowel points נִקּוּד(Nikkud) to be listed separately. Bibleworks can do this; it can list all the forms of a given .שוֹרֶש

In general Bibleworks is set to list words as they appear in the database, but I can imagine it should be able to list both the Plene/Defective Spellings:
כתיב מלא and כתיב חסר. And of course the display default will be כתיב מנוקד unless you would like to read text with the Nikkudot,



"detect and list homographs of different roots (e.g. regarding the word "sheves" sometimes the infinitive of the verb 'to sit' or the verb 'to cease') and different Binyanim etc. yet not duplicate not non-homographs?"
Yes, the WTM database, tags homographs. It also tags the "ta'am hamikra as well. In certain situations the Ta'am Ha-Mikra may change the meaning of a word or sentence. However, I have to ask are you also concern about Shva na , Shva Nach, and the Hataf Kamatz?


In short I do not see anything in your list that is beyond the capabilities of BibleWorks, however I doubt that you will be able to accomplish all these tasks in one step. You will probably need to compile a few different list first and then merge them into one list.


Here are a few links to examples of what BibleWorks is capable of doing:

LINK ONE(click below):
Listing Hebrew Verbs in a Passage (http://www.bibleworks.com/classroom/3_01/index.html)

LINK TWO(click below)
Searching for Weak Hebrew Verbs (http://www.bibleworks.com/classroom/3_08/index.html)

bkMitchell
03-08-2011, 12:52 AM
What you want to do can be done but will take time.

Now, this is not exactly(it's not even close) what you want to do but this doesn't take any time at all.
Here is a list created by the Word List manager:


Bereshith 1:1-1:24

אוֹר 2
אֶחָד 2
אֶל 1
אֱלֹהִים 23
אֶרֶץ 2
אֲשֶׁר 5
אֶת 6
אֵת 1
אֹתָם 2
בָּאָרֶץ 1
בְּהֵמָה 1
בוֹ 2
בַּיּוֹם 1
בַּיַּמִּים 1
בֵּין 5
בֹקֶר 5
בָּרָא 1
בְּרֵאשִׁית 1
בִּרְקִיעַ 3
בְּתוֹךְ 1
דֶּשֶׁא 2
הָאוֹר 3
הָאָרֶץ 8
הַגָּדֹל 1
הַגְּדֹלִים 2
הַחַיָּה 1
הַחֹשֶׁךְ 2
הַיַּבָּשָׁה 1
הַיּוֹם 2
הָיְתָה 1
הַכּוֹכָבִים 1
הַלָּיְלָה 1
הַלַּיְלָה 1
הַמָּאוֹר 2
הַמְּאֹרֹת 1
הַמָּיִם 2
הַמַּיִם 7
הַקָּטֹן 1
הָרֹמֶשֶׂת 1
הָרָקִיעַ 1
הַשָּׁמָיִם 2
הַשָּׁמַיִם 4
הַתַּנִּינִם 1
וְאֶת 1
וְאֵת 4
וָבֹהוּ 1
וּבֵין 4
וּבַלַּיְלָה 1
וְהָאָרֶץ 1
וְהָיוּ 2
וְהָעוֹף 1
וְחַיְתוֹ 1
וְחֹשֶׁךְ 1
וַיֹּאמֶר 7
וַיַּבְדֵּל 2
וַיִּבְרָא 1
וַיְבָרֶךְ 1
וַיְהִי 16
וִיהִי 1
וַיַּעַשׂ 2
וַיִּקְרָא 3
וַיַּרְא 5
וַיִּתֵּן 1
וּלֲהַבְדִּיל 1
וְלַחֹשֶׁךְ 1
וּלְיָמִים 1
וּלְמוֹעֲדִים 1
וּלְמִקְוֵה 1
וְלִמְשֹׁל 1
וּמִלְאוּ 1
וְעוֹף 1
וְעֵץ 1
וּרְבוּ 1
וְרוּחַ 1
וָרֶמֶשׂ 1
וְשָׁנִים 1
וַתּוֹצֵא 1
וְתֵרָאֶה 1
זֶרַע 2
זַרְעוֹ 2
חַיָּה 2
חֲמִישִׁי 1
טוֹב 5
יְהִי 3
יוֹם 6
יַמִּים 1
יְעוֹפֵף 1
יִקָּווּ 1
יִרֶב 1
יִשְׁרְצוּ 1
כִּי 5
כָּל 2
כֵן 5
כָּנָף 1
לָאוֹר 1
לֵאמֹר 1
לְאֹתֹת 1
לְהָאִיר 2
לְהַבְדִּיל 1
לַיַּבָּשָׁה 1
לָיְלָה 1
לִמְאוֹרֹת 1
לָמָיִם 1
לְמִינָהּ 2
לְמִינֵהוּ 3
לְמִינֵהֶם 1
לְמִינוֹ 1
לְמֶמְשֶׁלֶת 2
לָרָקִיעַ 3
מְאֹרֹת 1
מַבְדִּיל 1
מַזְרִיעַ 2
מַיִם 1
מֵעַל 1
מָקוֹם 1
מְרַחֶפֶת 1
מִתַּחַת 2
נֶפֶשׁ 3
עוֹף 1
עַל 7
עֵץ 1
עֶרֶב 5
עֵשֶׂב 2
עֹשֶׂה 2
פְּנֵי 3
פְּרוּ 1
פְּרִי 3
קָרָא 2
רְבִיעִי 1
רָקִיעַ 1
רְקִיעַ 1
שְׁלִישִׁי 1
שָׁמָיִם 1
שֵׁנִי 1
שְׁנֵי 1
שֶׁרֶץ 1
שָׁרְצוּ 1
תַּדְשֵׁא 1
תֹהוּ 1
תְהוֹם 1
תּוֹצֵא 1