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Peter
02-02-2011, 04:20 AM
Dear Friends,
I want to search for all female proper names in BNM. I used the Louw-Nida-Domain to exclude female names of places in the right box.
Unfortunately the search doesn't work - where is my failure ? Please see my Query-File.
Thank you a lot !
Yours
Peter, Germany

almather
02-02-2011, 02:30 PM
For a learning experience, try running a search with each of your search boxes separably, delete one, than the other.

I am not a expert on this, but your second box is finding all the words in the text except for the excluded words.

Try deleting your first box, than adding *@n?f?p to your list, but do not check the exclude box.

That is my suggestions, perhaps others will offer different approaches.

Al

Peter
02-02-2011, 02:59 PM
Dear Al,
thank you a lot ! The Query-File works fine now !
Do you have further suggestions for improvements ?
Yours
Peter, Germany

almather
02-02-2011, 03:18 PM
How come Mat 1:3 is not showing up on your list? And perhaps others verses similar?

In the second box, uncheck, "Exclusion words eliminate entire verse".

I think this will help.

Al

Peter
02-02-2011, 03:30 PM
Thank you again, Al !

You wrote:
"How come Mat 1:3 is not showing up on your list? And perhaps others verses similar?"

I really don't have any clue !

Any further help is appreciated to solve the problem !
Yours
Peter, Germany

almather
02-02-2011, 03:39 PM
Hi, again.

Just in case you missed it. I answered my own question.

"In the second box, uncheck, "Exclusion words eliminate entire verse"."

We are having a big snow storm, and I keep looking out the window to watch the snow. But I need to get back to my own work. And I probably won't spend any more time on your search. I just hope this has helped.

Al

Michael Hanel
02-02-2011, 03:40 PM
Thank you again, Al !

You wrote:
"How come Mat 1:3 is not showing up on your list? And perhaps others verses similar?"

I really don't have any clue !

Any further help is appreciated to solve the problem !
Yours
Peter, Germany

Mat 1:3 will not show up because it is excluded based on your inclusion/exclusion list. You have Ioudas@* as one of the words to be excluded. Because that word occurs in Mat 1:3, even though there is a feminine proper noun, the whole verse will be excluded.

I believe Al's suggestion would fix it. Uncheck "Exclusion words eliminate entire verse"

(posted twice for emphasis? Al was faster...)

Peter
02-02-2011, 03:49 PM
Dear Michael,
you wrote:

"Mat 1:3 will not show up because it is excluded based on your inclusion/exclusion list. You have Ioudas@* as one of the words to be excluded. Because that word occurs in Mat 1:3, even though there is a feminine proper noun, the whole verse will be excluded."

Exactly, that's the point !

But if I don't check "Exclusion words eliminate entire verse" in the right box, I get the whole bunch of the geographical proper names, I want to exclude. I just wanted to search for names of women in the NT.

Thanks !
Peter, Germany

Michael Hanel
02-02-2011, 04:16 PM
Dear Michael,
you wrote:

"Mat 1:3 will not show up because it is excluded based on your inclusion/exclusion list. You have Ioudas@* as one of the words to be excluded. Because that word occurs in Mat 1:3, even though there is a feminine proper noun, the whole verse will be excluded."

Exactly, that's the point !

But if I don't check "Exclusion words eliminate entire verse" in the right box, I get the whole bunch of the geographical proper names, I want to exclude. I just wanted to search for names of women in the NT.

Thanks !
Peter, Germany

I don't have an immediate answer to fix the search query. There may be a solution, but it's not immediately coming to my mind. So it would take me longer to come up with the search than it would to do the longer search, compare verse results with your first search and get my answer there. Perhaps someone will have a more efficient answer.

Glenn Weaver
02-02-2011, 05:54 PM
Probably the easiest way to search for all the feminine proper names is to conduct the search on the Command Line using a Louw-Nida search.
- Right click on the Command Line to open the context menu, then select "Insert Louw-Nida Domain Code".
- Select subdomain 93.1-93.388, then click "Insert" to insert the search on the Command Line. The line should look like .<93.1-388>
- Add the @ sign to include morphology to the domain tag. The domain tag is treated like a word list, so you can add morphology to the search.
- add the correct morph codes to the tag. In this case, you will add n?f*

The final search is .<93.1-388>@n?f*

Classroom Tips 3.3 and 3.4 discusses searching on the Command Line using word lists and semantic domains. Here is the link to tip 3.4, which directly addresses your search. http://www.bibleworks.com/classroom/3_04/index.html (http://www.bibleworks.com/classroom/3_04/index.html)

Blessings,
Glenn

Michael Hanel
02-02-2011, 06:06 PM
Probably the easiest way to search for all the feminine proper names is to conduct the search on the Command Line using a Louw-Nida search.
- Right click on the Command Line to open the context menu, then select "Insert Louw-Nida Domain Code".
- Select subdomain 93.1-93.388, then click "Insert" to insert the search on the Command Line. The line should look like .<93.1-388>
- Add the @ sign to include morphology to the domain tag. The domain tag is treated like a word list, so you can add morphology to the search.
- add the correct morph codes to the tag. In this case, you will add n?f*

The final search is .<93.1-388>@n?f*

Classroom Tips 3.3 and 3.4 discusses searching on the Command Line using word lists and semantic domains. Here is the link to tip 3.4, which directly addresses your search. http://www.bibleworks.com/classroom/3_04/index.html (http://www.bibleworks.com/classroom/3_04/index.html)

Blessings,
Glenn

The problem is the Louw-Nida list for names includes proper nouns like "Judea", but I seem to think Peter doesn't want it to show Judea because that is not the name of a woman, although it is a feminine proper noun. So the problem isn't necessarily the search, but that the Louw-Nida list of proper nouns-names mixes up the names of people and places.

Peter
02-03-2011, 03:34 AM
A friend of mine, a BW-8-User, tried the way Glenn suggested and it works fine. Thank you for that !
I still use BW 7 and unfortunately can't do this kind of search for LN-Domains.

Peter, Germany

Glenn Weaver
02-03-2011, 09:33 AM
There are things you can do in BW7 that might make this type of search easier. First, using the Word List Manager (WLM) you can do a global change of the morphology. Therefore, you can open the entire subdomain in the WLM, then select all, then make a global change on the morphology to @n?f*. Then save this word list as an inclusion-exclusion list (IEL), and use it in the GSE. When you run the search the GSE will tell you that you have some invalid searches (for example, the word for Aaron does not appear in the feminine.) You can safely disregard the message and continue with the search.

Second, if you find words that do not meet your criteria, you can edit the word list and rerun the search. This should yield what you want.

And thanks for the note, Michael. I was not aware that feminine place names were included in the proper names section.

Blessings,
Glenn

Peter
02-04-2011, 06:57 AM
Thank you so much, Glenn ! That's what I call a real smart solution......
Yours
Peter, Germany

bwpascoe
02-07-2011, 10:59 PM
There are things you can do in BW7 that might make this type of search easier. First, using the Word List Manager (WLM) you can do a global change of the morphology. Therefore, you can open the entire subdomain in the WLM, then select all, then make a global change on the morphology to @n?f*. Then save this word list as an inclusion-exclusion list (IEL), and use it in the GSE. When you run the search the GSE will tell you that you have some invalid searches (for example, the word for Aaron does not appear in the feminine.) You can safely disregard the message and continue with the search.




Wow I never thought of that


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