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AbramKJ
11-02-2010, 12:03 PM
Hi, everyone! I'm new to the forum, but several Hebrew exegesis courses in seminary (and now Greek) have made me an avid user and fan of BibleWorks. I still have BW7, but dream of upgrading some day when I graduate seminary and start "making the big bucks" as a pastor. ;)

A question: is there a way to search everything in BibleWorks at once? In other words, is there a way to search (for example), five given Bible versions, all the lexicons, grammars, and other reference works I have installed on a word/concept like "prophet"?

I understand that the "Resource Summary" tab in the analysis window gets close to this, but it doesn't look like that includes Nave's Topical Bible, the BibleWorks timeline, etc. (Not only that, but the Resource Summary appears to be keyed to whole verses in the cases of the grammars and the Henry commentary, as opposed to individual words.)

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Glenn Weaver
11-02-2010, 12:30 PM
Greetings!

There are a variety of types of texts in BibleWorks, and each requires a different type of searching. As far as searching all Bible texts, that is easy to do by using the Command Line Cross-Version searching features. By using the GSE you can search many different language versions at the same.

To search all the HTML Help modules (this is the format for the grammars and some other items), you can use the Master Module Index, located on the Resources menu. Conducting a search in the Master Module Index will search all HTML Help modules at one time.

The Resource Summary Window is another way to access a lot of information at one time. By using the Resource Summary Window you can find all references to a particular verse, or you can find all the occurrences of a specific lemma in your lexicons, or discussion of a particular parsing element in your grammars.

There are also search features in the Dictionary and Lexicon Browser that enable you to search your dictionaries and your lexicons.

Blessings,

Michael Hanel
11-02-2010, 12:48 PM
Greetings!



To search all the HTML Help modules (this is the format for the grammars and some other items), you can use the Master Module Index, located on the Resources menu. Conducting a search in the Master Module Index will search all HTML Help modules at one time.


Thanks for this one Glenn. I actually did not know that this was the way to do that!

MGVH
11-02-2010, 01:36 PM
Likewise new to me! Learning something every day!

Glenn Weaver
11-03-2010, 09:50 AM
You can also add user-created modules to the search capabilities of the Master Module Index, so that a search in the Master Module Index will also search user-created modules. For instructions on how to add the user-created modules to the Master Module Index, see the BibleWorks 8 Help file, Chapter 52 Custom Modules.

Blessings,

AbramKJ
11-03-2010, 04:28 PM
You can also add user-created modules to the search capabilities of the Master Module Index, so that a search in the Master Module Index will also search user-created modules. For instructions on how to add the user-created modules to the Master Module Index, see the BibleWorks 8 Help file, Chapter 52 Custom Modules.

Blessings,

Thanks, Glenn--the search instructions re: the Master Module Index were useful to me, too.

Might it be a possibility for future versions/updates of BibleWorks that there be one integrated "power search" feature that integrates all the searches you mentioned into one step (searching Biblical texts, modules, lexicons, etc. all at once for the same word)? Speaking only for myself, I would find that useful, if so.

MortenJensen
11-06-2010, 10:30 AM
I must agree to the last wish - actually, I have a double wish:
- a 'all-in-one' search window, where you intuitively can 'check-box' your way through.
- a 'simple-intuitive' search window.

I teach NT and have my students to buy BW - and as much as I like the fastness of BW in the current GUI, then my students find difficult to master. Hard to learn, hard to remember. They fancy a quick and fast approach and can live without many of the complex search capabilities.

It is a major weakness of BW - and the GSE is no help in this regard.

To be frank: BW has never quite recovered from a DOS-like user-interface - and I so much wish that BW would address this issue by working out a intuitive graphic user interface that can be opened on top of the current - for the sake of future sales.

Morten

bkMitchell
11-07-2010, 03:46 AM
...as much as I like the fastness of BW in the current GUI, then my students find difficult to master. Hard to learn, hard to remember. They fancy a quick and fast approach and can live without many of the complex search capabilities...

BibleWorks versions 5 & 6 had three user interface modes; Beginner Mode, Standard Mode, and Power User mode. Sadly, neither BW 7 nor the current version BW 8 has those options anymore.

Also, the search window used be movable, but from BW 8 it is permanently docked on the left side of the screen. That, last issue is something that annoys me a little.

I am sure that for both of these issues there must be some logical reason, but at the moment I have no idea what that might have been?


The only advice(or quick fix) I have for the first issue is: use the Code Insertion Buttons.
http://wiki.luthersem.edu/bin/view/BibleWorks/CodeInsertionButtons

When, the cursor hovers over any of the code insertion buttons, the meaning or the reason for the use of codes before searches on the command line is revealed in a pop-up box. This made using the command line a lot simpler for me.

And, here is a short page about the command line with a short informative demonstration video:
http://wiki.luthersem.edu/bin/view/BibleWorks/CommandLine

Grace and Peace

MortenJensen
11-08-2010, 06:08 AM
Thanks Mitchell - for posting these links.

Yes, it is a help to have the code insertion buttons displayed - but still you have to remember what they stand for. It is "dos-like".

I am thinking of a simple intuitive "search dialogue screen" where you can "check-box" your way through a search. It is the way everything works on the internet today - so students would grasp this immediately - instead of first have to understand the differences between different databases, search parameters, codes and so on.

This could be done really simple, I am sure:
1. Check-box a database to search.
2. Check-box a limit of books.
3. Write the words to search, check-box and/or, within a given number of words and so on.
4. Check-box wild cards (if needed) + most/all of the possibilities of searching for verbs, infinitives and so on.

BW has a steep learning curve for beginners.

Morten

bkMitchell
11-08-2010, 08:33 PM
Hello Morten Jensen,

If you'd like to submit an official request for BibleWorks to included check boxes you should enter your request at the following:
http://www.bibleworks.com/ideas.html



... it is a help to have the code insertion buttons displayed - but still you have to remember what they stand for. It is "dos-like".

However, when you place a cursor over the those buttons, a pop-up window reveals their meanings. This eliminates the need to remember the codes.



I am thinking of a simple intuitive "search dialogue screen" where you can "check-box" your way through a search. It is the way everything works on the internet today

(1) 'Intuitive'? That means different things to different people, but yeah I hear you.
AND I, too think it would be good to have a simple search interface option for beginners like they used in in version 5 and 6.

(2)The Internet? That doesn't strike me as being very efficient or accurate in terms of searching power. However, I understand the internet searches are what the majority of people are used to.

(3)BibleWorks has a cool Morphology Assistant with check boxes making it 'similar', but not exactly like what you are thinking of. If they added more check off boxes and options to that it might come close to what you are thinking off.

(4)In addition to check off boxes, I think it would be be good to have the option of typing in real language(for people who don't line check off boxes). So, I if you want to search for verbs, you'd simply type in verb pulse whatever word you're looking for.



BW has a steep learning curve for beginners.


Agreed
In that regard BW is no different from most high end software applications that I have had the privilege of using. But, again I hear you and I think you should submit an official request.

MortenJensen
11-09-2010, 06:12 AM
Done!

Yes, the Morphology Assistant is a step on the way. But it has to be enhanced (for example with search limits). Also, it should be integrated more fully - right now you have to insert the icon for it manually in order to access it.

Morten

bkMitchell
11-09-2010, 07:36 PM
...
Yes, the Morphology Assistant is a step on the way. But it has to be enhanced (for example with search limits). Also, it should be integrated more fully...

If, this will help make BibleWorks more attractive and easier to access then I say go for it. I'd also like for them to implement movable panels/windows and add more drag and drop features to the GUI.

Gilbert Salinas
12-07-2010, 04:18 PM
You can also add user-created modules to the search capabilities of the Master Module Index, so that a search in the Master Module Index will also search user-created modules. For instructions on how to add the user-created modules to the Master Module Index, see the BibleWorks 8 Help file, Chapter 52 Custom Modules.

Blessings,

When I open BibleWorks Master Module Index, my user-created module does indeed show up at the bottom of the Contents List, but a simple search [search tab] does not show any finds in my user module. Is it possible I have missed something in the instructions in Chapter 52????

Thanks!

Glenn Weaver
12-07-2010, 04:28 PM
Hi Gilbert,

It is hard for me to identify what is wrong without looking at your user.chm file. Could you send to me that file? It might identify the problem. You will have to zip the chm file, then send it to me via email at BibleWorks addressed to gweaver.

Blessings,
Glenn

Gilbert Salinas
12-28-2010, 02:34 PM
Hi Gilbert,

It is hard for me to identify what is wrong without looking at your user.chm file. Could you send to me that file? It might identify the problem. You will have to zip the chm file, then send it to me via email at BibleWorks addressed to gweaver.

Blessings,
Glenn

Hi Glenn,

Is there any progress on searching Master File Index with added User Modules???

It's been a few weeks.

Just checking!

Gilbert: :o

Glenn Weaver
12-29-2010, 09:44 AM
Hi Gilbert,

I'm sorry, but I don't have any further information for you at this time. I expect that it will be a while before the programmers can look at it more closely.

Blessings,
Glenn

Gilbert Salinas
12-29-2010, 02:35 PM
Hi Gilbert,

I'm sorry, but I don't have any further information for you at this time. I expect that it will be a while before the programmers can look at it more closely.

Blessings,
Glenn

Thanks Glenn.

I'm looking forward to the fix!!!!

Gilbert :)

Gilbert Salinas
01-28-2011, 03:11 PM
Hi Glenn,

Any progress on the "search user module in Master Index Search'?

Gilbert:

Glenn Weaver
01-31-2011, 11:38 AM
Hi Gilbert,

No, I'm sorry, but I do not have any further information on this.

Blessings,
Glenn