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bkMitchell
09-12-2010, 08:15 PM
According to the Trinitarian Bible Society's
'179th Annual Report & Financial Statements for the year ended 31st December 2009 '


"Our Hebrew New Testament revision project was only commenced about twelve months ago, but has benefitted from a top-class team of specialists working upon it in Israel throughout that period. Although progress has been painstaking rather than spectacular, the Gospel according to John has now been finished in draft form. It has taken a while to establish the methodology of the project—the primary aim is to

conform the well-known and much-loved Delitzsch Hebrew New Testament edition more closely to the Textus Receptus Greek, as close scrutiny of the translator’s work has identified some areas that need improvement.

At the same time, opportunity is being taken to revise Hebrew words and phrases that are manifestly difficult to understand. No unnecessary changes will be made, as it is important that the Biblical Hebrew style of the Delitzsch be maintained. In many instances where words and phrases will have to be adjusted, it is hoped that use may be made of the vocabulary of the Hebrew Old Testament, i.e., the Biblical text underlying that portion of the Authorised Version."

http://www.trinitarianbiblesociety.org/site/ar179.pdf

Adelphos
09-12-2010, 08:45 PM
Thanks for that information indeed, Brian!!!

I only hope they can get it finished in timely manner. That definitely seems -- at least at this point -- to be the exact type of project that is needed, and it also appears that they are keeping the Delitzsch pedigree intact, unlike the Keran/DLZ.

bkMitchell
09-13-2010, 01:38 AM
Thanks for that information indeed, Brian!!!
No, problem



I only hope they can get it finished in timely manner.

They have been working on this for a little over two and half years now. And, I think they are going to be very thorough. It will be exciting to see a fresh typesetted version of a classic.

Although, I doubt it, I sure hope they are using Bibleworks for this project, and if so will provide the electronic database to Bibleworks users.

Adelphos
09-13-2010, 01:00 PM
They have been working on this for a little over two and half years now. And, I think they are going to be very thorough. It will be exciting to see a fresh typesetted version of a classic.

Although, I doubt it, I sure hope they are using Bibleworks for this project, and if so will provide the electronic database to Bibleworks users.

That doesn't bode well for the near future, not unless they are really going to speed things up. I would be interested in seeing a first draft of what they just produced on John.

I know modern Hebrew has some pretty real idiomatic differences from the Tanach, but on the whole they are not anywhere near as bad as some people would like to make out. Yes, they exist, but for the most part they are not by any stretch of the imagination crippling.

So I hope they are not going hog-wild in their alterations, because I DO think it is possible to remain faithful to Delitzsch and still render the legitimate idiomatic changes into a really good translation.

bkMitchell
09-13-2010, 05:31 PM
They are not using modern Hebrew, although they are working on this in Israel.

Here is what I can gather:

(1)Correct Dalman's and others bad decisions. Rather, than the esoteric Aramaic Dalman used, the common Biblical Hebrew terms Delitzsch used.

(2) Reverting the text back to what Delitzsch intended it to be. A little difficult because he was a perfectionist, but they do have his notes!

(3)Bringing the text, back closer the the received text of the Church.

Adelphos
09-13-2010, 05:37 PM
If they adhere to that I think it will be a splendid translation. I only hope it doesn't take too long.

ISalzman
09-14-2010, 11:29 AM
Delitzsch's goal, it needs to be remembered, was to render a translation of the NT into biblical Hebrew. There are certainly modern Hebrew translations of the NT in Israel today like "Targum Hadash," which I have. I won't say I don't appreciate them; I do. However, the most useful feature of Delitzsch's Hebrew NT is that the biblical Hebrew that he uses enables allusions to OT passages to be much more recognizable and discernible. I, for one, would not want Delitzsch's biblical Hebrew disposition to be tampered with in the slightest in any future revisions that are made.

Adelphos
09-14-2010, 12:59 PM
Delitzsch's goal, it needs to be remembered, was to render a translation of the NT into biblical Hebrew. There are certainly modern Hebrew translations of the NT in Israel today like "Targum Hadash," which I have. I won't say I don't appreciate them; I do. However, the most useful feature of Delitzsch's Hebrew NT is that the biblical Hebrew that he uses enables allusions to OT passages to be much more recognizable and discernible. I, for one, would not want Delitzsch's biblical Hebrew disposition to be tampered with in the slightest in any future revisions that are made.

Yes, I agree completely. Let's hope this new translation is faithful to that philosophy.

bkMitchell
09-14-2010, 07:56 PM
Delitzsch's goal, it needs to be remembered, was to render a translation of the NT into biblical Hebrew...I, for one, would not want Delitzsch's biblical Hebrew disposition to be tampered with in the slightest in any future revisions that are made.

ISalzman,

Did, you seriously imagine the TBS forgot Delitzsch primary goal?
Fortunately, the TBS anticipated this question and thus they prepared an answer ahead of time. Look at what they wrote:

"No unnecessary changes will be made, as it is important that the Biblical Hebrew style of the Delitzsch be maintained. In many instances where words and phrases will have to be adjusted, it is hoped that use may be made of the vocabulary of the Hebrew Old Testament, i.e., the Biblical text underlying that portion of the Authorised Version." (Trinitarian Bible Society – 179th Annual Report)

Here, they are clearly talking about two things:
(1) maintaing the Biblical Hebrew style of Delitzsch
(2) making sure the quotations of the Hebrew Bible/OT in the NT match up with the massoretic text.

ISalzman
09-14-2010, 08:11 PM
That's reassuring. Thanks for the good news, Brian.

Irving

bkMitchell
07-29-2011, 09:23 PM
More news on the TBS Revised Hebrew New Testament follows below.
(While, I support their work on this new revision of speakers of Modern Hebrew I hope that they will continue to re-print the 10th or the 11th edition of Franz Delitzsch Hebrew NT that has already become a classic.)

Trinitarian Bible Society – Quarterly Record Issue Number: 596 – July to September 2011

http://www.trinitarianbiblesociety.org/site/qr/qr596.pdf (http://www.trinitarianbiblesociety.org/site/qr/qr596.pdf)




Editorial Report

by Philip J. D. Hopkins
Editorial Director




Introduction


As mentioned briefly in the article on Israel and the Hebrew New Testament by Peter Hallihan later in this Quarterly Record, the Society is currently undertaking a revision of the edition of the Delitzsch Hebrew New Testament that was corrected to the Textus Receptus and published in the late 19th century. This revision work is being carried out almost entirely in Israel and involves a sizable group of people, each contributing an area of expertise to the work. Some might wonder if such a major undertaking is necessary. By way of answer, I would like to set out first of all the need for a new edition of the Hebrew New Testament, and then to explain the aims of the current revision, the complex nature of the work and the present status of this project.


Declining use of the Delitzsch New Testament

In the years following its publication in the late 1800s, the Delitzsch translation was used by most Christians in Israel. Sadly, in recent years most believers are instead using a modern translation published by the Bible Society in Israel. To a significant extent, this situation has arisen because most new believers in Israel are ethnic Jews from Russia who generally do not know Hebrew well—they tend only to use a colloquial form of Hebrew, known as street Hebrew—and the modern version uses a colloquial, everyday type of the language which is often inappropriate for conveying the Word of God(Endnote 1). An additional major difficulty is that the modern version omits so many verses and words, because it has been produced using the corrupted Critical Greek Text. This trend has highlighted the need for a sound edition of the New Testament in the Hebrew language, one which retains the excellent qualities of the Delitzsch edition, but which will also encourage more people to return to a formal equivalence, literary Hebrew version more in tune with the Hebrew Old Testament. Furthermore, as recorded in Peter Hallihan’s article, Delitzsch first of all produced his Hebrew New Testament based on the Critical Text of the Greek New Testament and then later revised it to bring it into conformity to the Received Text. This fundamental alteration was not always made in an entirely satisfactory manner: some changes to represent the Received Text were left in brackets, a number of alterations to represent the Received Text correctly were not made, and in some instances the changes were made without ensuring that the alterations flowed nicely with the rest of the text. These points indicate that a thorough revision to ensure better conformity to the Received Text has been long overdue.


The main aims of the revision project
The principal aims of the project are first of all to produce an edition of the Hebrew New Testament that retains the beauty of the Delitzsch Hebrew, whilst improving its conformance to the Greek Textus Receptus, and secondly to amend words that have changed their meaning significantly and to replace any other words that are difficult for Hebrew-speaking people of today to understand. Where possible, words that are being changed are being replaced with words from the Hebrew Old Testament so that there is increased uniformity in the style and language between the Old and New Testaments. As hinted earlier, Delitzsch used a particular form of Hebrew which, whilst possessing great literary beauty and reverence, is not necessarily accessible to a good number of those using Hebrew today(Endnote 2). The end result, we trust, will provide the Hebrew-speaking peoples with a trustworthy, reverent and more widely accessible copy of the New Testament.


The complex nature of the project
Before we take a look at how far the work has progressed, it is helpful to understand the breadth of the project, which is in part occasioned by the complex nature of the Hebrew language. The present team, which began its work on revising the Gospel according to John in May 2010, has been headed by a minister of the Gospel who up until recently was living in Israel and had done so for a number of years. The core of the team—working under his guidance, and all living in Israel—includes one of the Society’s Editorial Consultants with specialist New Testament Greek knowledge; an American missionary with a good working knowledge of Hebrew and New Testament Greek, who works on the alignment between the Greek and Hebrew; and a literary Hebrew consultant, an expert in Biblical and literary Hebrew who is very familiar with Delitzsch’s style and thus able to help preserve his eloquence whilst providing important guidance on the nuances of the Hebrew language. These core team members are also in close touch with a number of other reviewers who supply valuable additional expertise. The first of these is a long-time believer and user of the Delitzsch Hebrew New Testament who reads through and comments on the faithfulness of the revised text to the style of Delitzsch. The second reviewer is a nikkud specialist: someone with expertise in the pointing of the Hebrew language—the marks closely associated with the Hebrew vowel letters. The pointing of the language is extremely important, not only in conveying the correct punctuation of the Hebrew, but also the verb tenses and such aspects as personal pronouns. A slight repositioning of one of these pointing marks can alter the meaning of the associated word; thus it is necessary to ensure (as far as possible) that every one of these little marks is in the right place.


The current status and future goals
The team has made good progress in the Gospel according to John, which is the first book they are working on as part of a revision of the entire New Testament. It is gratifying to report that at the time of writing (23rd May) the core team has very recently completed its main review of the entire book. However, the chapters from ten onward still need to be reviewed by the nikkud specialist, and by the long-time Delitzsch reader. Subject to the Lord’s will, we anticipate publication of the Hebrew John sometime towards the end of this year, with the intention to publish it in a diglot format with the English text of the Authorized (King James) Version. It is foreseen that the revision of the entire New Testament will take some five to seven years in total. Nevertheless the Society has made a firm commitment, under God, to seeing the revision through to completion, recognizing the privilege of being able to work in this language and its Scriptural importance.


Conclusion
Your prayers for all those working on this project are greatly coveted—that they might enjoy health and strength for their labors and receive God-given wisdom and discernment for the difficult choices which they frequently have to make, as they seek to give the Hebrew-speaking peoples a faithful and accurate edition of the New Testament in language that is accessible to many and also consistent with the Hebrew Old Testament(Endnote 3). Certainly, it is the pre-eminent desire of those associated with this particular project that the Lord will use the eventual publication and circulation of the revised Delitzsch Hebrew New Testament to bring many of the Jewish people to a saving knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ for the glory of His worthy name.



Endnotes
1. It has been suggested by my colleague Al Hembd (who is currently based in Israel and
working on this project) that the decreased use of the Delitzsch New Testament among
Jewish Christians may mean an increasing number of them are not able to read their own Old
Testament—a lamentable situation.
2. It is also worth pointing out that the Delitzsch New Testament is to a large extent written in
the style of the Old Testament and thus provides an excellent basis from which to work.
3. This is important as it demonstrates to the discerning reader the truth that the Old and New
Testaments together comprise the canon of Holy Scripture and are to be considered as one
entity—the Word of God.

ISalzman
07-29-2011, 10:11 PM
Thanks for providing that article, Brian. It was very informative. It answers some of the questions we wrestled with earlier in this thread. It seems Delitzsch himself produced several versions, the first in line with the critical text. Later, he produced another version that conformed - although not perfectly in the words of the author - to the Textus Receptus.