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Glenn Weaver
08-24-2009, 11:28 AM
After a lot of work and beta testing, the updated Early Church Fathers (ECF) chm module is being posted this morning. It can be downloaded by going to the main BibleWorks menu and selecting Help | BibleWorks on the Internet | Check for updates. This is a free update for all BibleWorks 8 users.

Note: This is a very large download, about 90 megs in size.

Here are some of the changes that are made in this update:
--The name of the author and title appears in the Resource Summary Window.
--Significant enhancements were made to the navigation. The Table of Contents is significantly enhanced.
--The contents synchronizes with the Table of Contents.
--There is an expanded Table of Contents added, so that you can browse the Table of Contents to find what you want.
--A Highlights of the Early Church Fathers gives a list of popular writings in the ECF and lists some of the commentaries and homilies found in the ECF.
--The Scripture references are significantly enhanced. Many more references are tagged than before.
--The Greek and Hebrew fonts can be configured using the Unicode Export fonts setting in the Options Window.
--'Previous' and 'Next' navigation is added at the bottom of each page, to enable you to read from one page to the next more easily.
--Numerous typos were corrected.

ISalzman
08-24-2009, 11:41 AM
After a lot of work and beta testing, the updated Early Church Fathers (ECF) chm module is being posted this morning. It can be downloaded by going to the main BibleWorks menu and selecting Help | BibleWorks on the Internet | Check for updates. This is a free update for all BibleWorks 8 users.

Note: This is a very large download, about 90 megs in size.

Here are some of the changes that are made in this update:
--The name of the author and title appears in the Resource Summary Window.
--Significant enhancements were made to the navigation. The Table of Contents is significantly enhanced.
--The contents synchronizes with the Table of Contents.
--There is an expanded Table of Contents added, so that you can browse the Table of Contents to find what you want.
--A Highlights of the Early Church Fathers gives a list of popular writings in the ECF and lists some of the commentaries and homilies found in the ECF.
--The Scripture references are significantly enhanced. Many more references are tagged than before.
--The Greek and Hebrew fonts can be configured using the Unicode Export fonts setting in the Options Window.
--'Previous' and 'Next' navigation is added at the bottom of each page, to enable you to read from one page to the next more easily.
--Numerous typos were corrected.

Hey Glenn, thanks for the update. Will the automatic update also pick it up, or must it be updated manually? Grateful for your reply. Irving

Glenn Weaver
08-24-2009, 11:44 AM
Hi Irving,

It should appear in the Automatic Updates.

Blessings,
Glenn

ISalzman
08-24-2009, 12:05 PM
Thanks Glenn!

Irving

Adamsen
08-24-2009, 01:29 PM
... Here are some of the changes that are made in this update:
--The name of the author and title appears in the Resource Summary Window. ...
Thank you very much. This is very, very helpful. I am currently reading quite a lot in the ECF (revising a commentary on Revelation). This is really a major update to BW8. :):):):)

Precha1
08-24-2009, 04:54 PM
Glenn,

Thanks for ALL your faithful efforts. Your work is greatly appreciated.

Kimba
08-24-2009, 08:29 PM
Thanks, and Enjoying

kitwalker
08-25-2009, 07:50 PM
Very grateful! :)

tfjern
08-25-2009, 08:29 PM
Does anyone know or can take a guess regarding this question: how does the new BWW 8.0 "edition" of ECF compare with the one offered by www.logos.com (http://www.logos.com) (a company notorious for typos) and the online one at www.ccel.org/fathers.html (http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html) (2nd Ed.)?

We now have three ECFs to choose from, and it would be nice to know which of the three has the fewest errors (through scanning, OCR-ing, etc.). Just curious.

Michael Hanel
08-25-2009, 08:59 PM
Does anyone know or can take a guess regarding this question: how does the new BWW 8.0 "edition" of ECF compare with the one offered by www.logos.com (http://www.logos.com) (a company notorious for typos) and the online one at www.ccel.org/fathers.html (http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html) (2nd Ed.)?

We now have three ECFs to choose from, and it would be nice to know which of the three has the fewest errors (through scanning, OCR-ing, etc.). Just curious.


I honestly don't know how one would even begin to assess this systematically. In which case, only random experience will count. I would hope that a version that costs extra beyond the normal program would be more accurate than one provided free, but past experience has shown that this is not necessarily so.

Adamsen
08-26-2009, 03:01 AM
Does anyone know or can take a guess regarding this question: how does the new BWW 8.0 "edition" of ECF compare with the one offered by www.logos.com (http://www.logos.com) (a company notorious for typos) and the online one at www.ccel.org/fathers.html (http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html) (2nd Ed.)?

We now have three ECFs to choose from, and it would be nice to know which of the three has the fewest errors (through scanning, OCR-ing, etc.). Just curious.

I would expect - I do not have access to it - that the Logos edition is formatted and content coded in a strict way, also behind the scenes. It should integrate nicely with all the other Logos resources. This requires quite a lot of work. Whether this is worth the price for it, each potential buyer has to decide for himself. If you need to search for Greek and Hebrew words, then perhaps the Logos edition is necessary? Then again, if you really want to work with the Greek and Hebrew, then you would have to use the critical original language editions anyway, wouldn't you?

The CCEL edition is fine, but it does not integrate in BibleWorks or Logos. If you have purchased BibleWorks, then ECF is available for free. The Logos edition is $250, 2/3 of the price for the whole BW8 package. Amazing! :)

Glenn Weaver
08-26-2009, 11:31 AM
I really couldn't say which edition has the fewest errors. But having spent a lot of time with it lately, I can tell you a bit about it.

The BW edition is licensed from CCEL. The original text was provided to CCEL from Logos. CCEL performed two or three proofs on the content after they received it from Logos. (Perhaps Logos performed further proofs on their own after they provided the files to CCEL, I don't know.) We converted the CCEL text to our format. We corrected a number of errors, though the CCEL files are in pretty good shape.

One major difference between the CCEL and our text concerns Scripture references. In the CCEL files, if there are multiple refs together, only the first one is tagged as a Scripture ref. We tagged every one of the refs contained within their original tags.

One benefit to the CCEL files that we did not include in our files is the linking to the page images of the printed ECF. We tried to include everything else contained in the printed text, except for the index. The various indexes didn't seem to be as important in an electronic work as they are in a printed work.

We also included all of the footnotes and page numbers. (I think I heard of at least one electronic edition of the ECF that does not contain the footnotes and might not have the page numbers, but I don't remember what edition that was.)

I found in my conversion work that there are numerous errors in the printed text, as well. In a work this large there will certainly be errors. If you are doing scholarly work in a key passage, you will want to consult the printed edition and check to be sure that it is accurate, as well. Of course, at that level you would want to look at the critical editions of the original language text (not Migne's edition, if a critical edition is available).

There are still errors in the ECF. I expect that on a work this large, there will always be errors in it. But the text looks pretty good. It is certainly very usable. Most typos will be easily seen as typos, so that isn't a concern. For all except the highest-level academic uses, I expect that the electronic edition of the ECF will be an excellent choice.

I expect that each of the ECF versions would be very useful, though I can't comment on the accuracy of any of them except for what I worked on. It really comes down to what works best for you.