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Peter
05-01-2009, 06:19 PM
Dear BW-Users,

when you compare the occourrances of QEOS (God) in the byz. Text (BYM) with the alex. Text of Nestle/Aland (BNM), you get a difference of 22, as the Word List Manager (WLM) lists for BYM 1339 and for the BNM-Text 1317 occourrances of QEOS. That makes a difference of 22. So far so good.

But when I search with the GSE (see attachment) the exact verses where this difference exists, I get the following verses:

Matt. 19:17; 21:12; 22:30; Mk. 10:6; Lk. 4:4; 12:31; 21:4; Jn. 9:35; Acts 8:22; 13:32, 44; 15:18, 40; 20:25; Rom. 10:17; 14:4; Col. 3:15, 22; 1 Tim. 3:16; Heb. 10:9; 1 Pet. 3:15; Rev. 1:4; 20:9


That makes 23 occourrences of verses, where BYM has QEOS while BNM omits this word.

How can the lacking QEOS in the WLM-Search be explained or where is my mistake ?

Thank you in advance !
Peter, Germany

www.streitenberger.com (http://www.streitenberger.com)

Adelphos
05-01-2009, 07:04 PM
How can the lacking QEOS in the WLM-Search be explained or where is my mistake ?

I'll take a stab at it... and this is just a guess, but I think it may have to do with the morphological tagging in the two databases. The query you made gives you the true number of actual differences, but the WLM is based strictly on the tagging, so I suspect that's where the discrepancy lies.

You can scrutinize the morphologies in each word list to see if that's it, although that might be quite time consuming.

MBushell
05-01-2009, 07:22 PM
I don't think the Word Manager and GSE processes are equivalent. Remember that the BYM has verses where theos occurs but BNM doesn't have theos. But the same is true of BNM. For example, BNM could add a word to a verse and BYM could add the same word to another verses and the worl list comparison would have the same hits.

I recommend using the verse list manager. Search for theos in both BYM and BNM and save the two verse lists. Then use the verse list manager to eliminate the verses common to the two lists.

Mike

Peter
05-01-2009, 07:43 PM
Scott and Mike,

thank you for your answers ! I'll try Mike's solution.

best regards
Peter

Peter
05-02-2009, 11:02 AM
Dear Mike,

I just tried your solution: First I searched BYM and BNM for QEOS (God). So far so good.

In the Vers List Manager I opened BYM in the "Main Verse List" and BNM in the "secondary List".

What shall I do now ? Nothing brought the result I wanted. "Selection" and then "select Verses not common to both lists" marks BNM or BYM as a whole. But I just wanted the verses, where a difference concerning QEOS occurres.

Thank you for further help
Best regards from Germany
Peter
www.streitenberger.com (http://www.streitenberger.com)

MBushell
05-02-2009, 03:44 PM
Dear Mike,

I just tried your solution: First I searched BYM and BNM for QEOS (God). So far so good.

In the Vers List Manager I opened BYM in the "Main Verse List" and BNM in the "secondary List".

What shall I do now ? Nothing brought the result I wanted. "Selection" and then "select Verses not common to both lists" marks BNM or BYM as a whole. But I just wanted the verses, where a difference concerning QEOS occurres.

Choose "Select verses common to both lists".
Then choose "Delete Selected" from the Edit menu. What's left is the verses you want. Then choose "Export to Search Window" where you can work with the list.
Mike

Adelphos
05-02-2009, 07:11 PM
Choose "Select verses common to both lists".

Can anyone confirm this.....

I search for qeoj in SCM, then import search list to VLM main window.

Next I search for qeoj in GNM, then import search list to VLM secondary window.

Now f I choose "Select verses common to both lists" it doesn't work. i.e., no verses are selected in either list.

Nor does it work if I do the inverse, i.e., select verses not common to both lists.

Philip Brown
05-02-2009, 10:36 PM
In order for the VLM to compare two verse lists, they have to be mapped to the same version.

So when you import, the GNM list, you need to select the whole list and then Edit > remap.

That will allow you to compare the two lists.

Adelphos
05-02-2009, 10:38 PM
In order for the VLM to compare two verse lists, they have to be mapped to the same version.

Thank, Philip. I remembered that after I posted, but I didn't think it had always been that way. Now that I've backtracked mentally, I can see that it's never changed.

Peter
05-03-2009, 08:46 AM
Thank you all indeed ! Now it works wunderful ! So it's a very intelligent way to compare two versions.

See you soon
Peter, Germany

www.streitenberger.com (http://www.streitenberger.com)

DavidR
05-03-2009, 12:49 PM
I've been following this thread, and I appreciate all the suggestions. This is another feature I haven't used all that much, but Mike's and Philip's directions were easy to follow and worked well. I realize how I'm still just scratching the surface of BW!

Adelphos
05-03-2009, 02:18 PM
Once again, can anyone confirm this...

If I do a search in SCM and GNM on the same word, say cristoj, and then import each search into the VLM main and secondary windows respectively, then remap both windows to SCM, then when I select verses that are common to both, delete those verses so that all I have left is the unique verses, and then EXPORT the unique verses to the search window, BW crashes.

Sometimes it crashes when I do the export, sometimes it crashes immediately after the export when I try to select one of the verses in the search window.

Can anyone repeat this?

EDIT: I've been able to reproduce this on several computers, all with XP, but it would be nice if someone else can also reproduce it so I can send it in as a bug report.

Mark Eddy
05-03-2009, 11:48 PM
Scott,
Maybe I'm not doing exactly what you did, but BW8 doesn't crash here. I tried comparing BYM with SCM as well as comparing GNM with SCM. I have the text versions of these active in my browse window (BYZ, BNT, SCR) and did a lemma search on them, in case that makes any difference. And I exported only the "Secondary Verse List" back to the search window, in case that makes any difference. But it seems to work fine here.
Mark Eddy
P.S. I do see that the verse mapping file causes some errors in this procedure. E.g. after emapping the BNT list to SCR, the Verse list manager has Luk 22:66 in the converted list and Luk 22:67 in the original SCM list. In reality Christos is in verse 67 in both versions, but because the two verses are mapped together via the verse map file, when the list is remapped to the other version BW seems to assume that the word Christos is in the first of two verses, when it is really in the second. So this throws the results off. But it does not create a crash.

MBushell
05-04-2009, 09:45 AM
Once again, can anyone confirm this...

If I do a search in SCM and GNM on the same word, say cristoj, and then import each search into the VLM main and secondary windows respectively, then remap both windows to SCM, then when I select verses that are common to both, delete those verses so that all I have left is the unique verses, and then EXPORT the unique verses to the search window, BW crashes.

Sometimes it crashes when I do the export, sometimes it crashes immediately after the export when I try to select one of the verses in the search window.

Can anyone repeat this?

EDIT: I've been able to reproduce this on several computers, all with XP, but it would be nice if someone else can also reproduce it so I can send it in as a bug report.
Scott. I found the problem and posted a fix. See 8.0.009h.
Mike

Adelphos
05-04-2009, 11:35 AM
Scott. I found the problem and posted a fix. See 8.0.009h.

Thanks. I tried it and it works perfectly now.