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Dan Phillips
04-26-2009, 09:48 AM
One of my very favorite BW features is the verse-by-verse notes. Since the feature was added (in BW6, I think?), I select some Hebrew and Greek text, drag it over to the notes, and write my comments.

But now in BW8, you can't separate that from how copying is configured. If you are configured to have BW supply the verse reference when copying for another app, it also sticks it in for a drag-n-drop to the Notes and Editor. It didn't do this in BW7.

So either I have to drag and drop some text and have BW stick in the verse reference which I really don't want or need, because (as the kids say) Hello? It's a note on the verse or I have to have BW copy text without references totally, and I have to type in the reference manually.

So I end up selecting text, dragging it, dropping it, deleting the reference, changing to English font, and making my notes.

I wish clicking and dragging into Notes or Editor were either separated or excluded, so I could simply drag the text without BW sticking in the superfluous reference, and still have it supply the text when copied otherwise, or to other apps.

Glenn Weaver
04-27-2009, 09:47 AM
Hi Dan,

Well, this might not be the automatic "I know where you want to copy it" option that you asked for, but there is a way to be able to choose whether you want to include the reference or not when you copy text.

You can create another copy favorite like the supplied "Copy to clipboard" copy option, only without including the reference. Then you can choose whether to use "Copy to Clipboard" or "Copy to Clipboard No Reference" depending upon where you want to copy the text.

Hope this helps.

SCSaunders
04-27-2009, 11:51 AM
.... Hello? ....This one word gives me a Lionel Ritchie flashback. I must now reprogram with some classic VH.

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SCSaunders
04-27-2009, 11:52 AM
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Dan Phillips
04-27-2009, 11:06 PM
Thanks for your time, Glenn!

Scott, you rock. Thank you. I'm not sure I understand what I did, but that works.

Now... do you know how to stop it from slapping in an "enter" after the dragged text, bumping the cursor to the next line? That is also new and unwelcome.

SCSaunders
04-28-2009, 07:30 AM
Now... do you know how to stop it from slapping in an "enter" after the dragged text, bumping the cursor to the next line? That is also new and unwelcome.Hey Dan,

At the moment I don't. If I figure out a way, I'll pass it along. Right now, the only solution I can suggest is hitting the left arrow key, right after D'n'Ding the text. This one key stroke is the only minimalist approach I can come up with for the time being.

MBushell
04-28-2009, 02:18 PM
Just a followup to Glenn's previous comment. Keep in mind that you can define favorites for all the common search operations. And the last used favorite is remembered. So you can define a favorite for the drag and drop copy without the verse reference. After the first time you use it in the Browse Window in a menu copy operation, it will also be used for the drag and drop until you ude another menu operation. Or at least that's how it is supposed to work. Haven't tried it lately. I appreciate the need expressed in this thread, but I think the mechanism is there now to address it. Hard wiring different behaviors sort of goes against the reasons for having the new copy function configurable.

Mike

Michael Hanel
04-28-2009, 02:49 PM
Just a followup to Glenn's previous comment. Keep in mind that you can define favorites for all the common search operations. And the last used favorite is remembered. So you can define a favorite for the drag and drop copy without the verse reference. After the first time you use it in the Browse Window in a menu copy operation, it will also be used for the drag and drop until you ude another menu operation. Or at least that's how it is supposed to work. Haven't tried it lately. I appreciate the need expressed in this thread, but I think the mechanism is there now to address it. Hard wiring different behaviors sort of goes against the reasons for having the new copy function configurable.

Mike

Mike, In response to Dan's question above


Now... do you know how to stop it from slapping in an "enter" after the dragged text, bumping the cursor to the next line? That is also new and unwelcome.

is there a solution in the works or is there a button that needs to be unchecked? It seems a few people have said things about this, but I don't remember seeing if it got fixed.



For others, maybe we should start a thread where we post different copy options that people have set up in order to help others figure out some of the flexibility in this feature. It seems to me that the upgrades in this area have been good, but have so far shown to have the steepest learning curve. I don't know the best way to share such info though? Maybe a screen capture of the set up box that shows the options you've chosen and then an example of what the output text looks like?? Any other thoughts?

SCSaunders
04-28-2009, 04:55 PM
...I appreciate the need expressed in this thread, but I think the mechanism is there now to address it. Hard wiring different behaviors sort of goes against the reasons for having the new copy function configurable. ...I agree with the sentiment here.


... I don't know the best way to share such info though? Maybe a screen capture of the set up box that shows the options you've chosen and then an example of what the output text looks like?? Any other thoughts?I would suggest Jing. Hard to beat the price of "nothing." One does not need to "Go Pro," the $15/year upgrade version.

http://www.twohatmarketing.com/ramblog/images/2007/08/04/jing.png (http://www.jingproject.com/)
*Image is a link.

Adelphos
04-28-2009, 08:52 PM
II would suggest Jing.

Jing looks pretty cool, and it's very easy to use. I just downloaded it and tried it. My only question is, do you have to save your image to put it here, or can you just paste here once you've captured it?

EDIT: Also, how do you keep the menu options open when you click on the Jing capture button? IOW, if I right click on the tab menu, for example, it closes when I click on the Jing capture button. How do you keep all of yours open?

SCSaunders
04-29-2009, 08:33 AM
Jing looks pretty cool, and it's very easy to use. I just downloaded it and tried it. My only question is, do you have to save your image to put it here, or can you just paste here once you've captured it?Scott, good question.


You will need to upload your image (or video) to somewhere on the internet
This creates a web address that you link to, from within the BW Forums "Reply to Thread" editor
The technical name for linking to an image is "embedding" - meaning, the image is embedded within your forum post so that people will see it right there and not have to go to the address itself

Look for the insert image icon on the menu bar
Also, there are a list of BW Forum codes - one of which is embedding images
Hyperlinking out of the BW Forum to a web address must be done for videos - currently videos cannot be "embedded"

I mention this because I think you should consider it
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There are services that host images and videos
There are hosting services that are free

TinyPic.com (http://tinypic.com/) is one that I use frequently
ScreenCast.com (http://www.screencast.com/), the image and video hosting company that makes Jing will give you 2 Gigabites of bandwidth/month for free

When done capturing, Jing will even ask you if you would like to upload to Screen Cast
2 Gigs/month for a library of pictures is more than enough
For videos - not so much


Or for about $10/month - 250 Gigabites





EDIT: Also, how do you keep the menu options open when you click on the Jing capture button? IOW, if I right click on the tab menu, for example, it closes when I click on the Jing capture button. How do you keep all of yours open?Let me play with this a bit.


If you're doing a video: The short answer is decrease your screen capture size - i.e., don't goe with your full desktop. Another advantage to a smaller screen size is a smaller final-product
If you're doing a picture: this is where I want to experimentate and then get back.

For examples of users of Jing on this BW Forum:

MGVH recently posted a video on his website using Jing, uploaded to ScreenCast.com He was demonstrating something in BW. He used Video w. Audio. EDIT #2: Well ... ? Apparently, I remember this incorrectly too. Crickey!

On Michael Hannel and Jack Darlack's site, they posted one done by Philip Brown on using Louw & Nida. He did a Video w. Call-Outs inserted. EDIT: Clearly, in hindsight, this is a bogus memory. My bad. Won't be the last.

Also, JFidel has done a few Jing videos.




At any rate, I'll get back to you later today (this morning) - I've got a somewhat busy agenda, plus I want to experiment first. I know how SnagIt & Camtasia would resolve this, the makers of Jing. I want to see how Jing resolves this. I haven't used Jing in a while. If you're super curious, look for a "delayed" screen capture function. Or "fake" a delayed screen capture by making a Jing Video and then taking Jing Screen Shots of your video.

Dan Phillips
04-29-2009, 09:11 AM
For a little more info: as I'm configured just now, the Hebrew drags and drops without a break, but Greek and English throw in an unwanted paragraph break.

Glenn Weaver
04-29-2009, 09:50 AM
Hi Dan,

If you haven't already done so, you will want to download the latest BW update. Mike fixed the problem with it adding an extra hard return at the end of the reference.

If that doesn't fix it, then we will need to look at your copy settings.

SkipB
04-29-2009, 10:09 AM
I don't know if this is related to Dan's problem or not, but the remove crlf when exporting browse text option does not effect the behavior of copying when highlighting in the browse window. I have actually decided that I use highlighting when I want to begin each verse on a new line, but the popup copy window when I want to paste in paragraphs. So it is no big deal.

On another note, I use Gadwin PrintScreen for screen captures, not as fancy marking up, but it is free. Since it uses the print screen key, it works fine with open menus.

SCSaunders
04-29-2009, 01:39 PM
.... At any rate, I'll get back to you later today (this morning) - I've got a somewhat busy agenda, plus I want to experiment first. I know how SnagIt & Camtasia would resolve this, the makers of Jing. I want to see how Jing resolves this. I haven't used Jing in a while. If you're super curious, look for a "delayed" screen capture function. Or "fake" a delayed screen capture by making a Jing Video and then taking Jing Screen Shots of your video.Okiedokiethen.

Much to my chagrin, I believe I melded some Jing memories with some SnagIt memories and proffered up some smokey hot air. Oops.

Scott et al. - It looks like the only Jing option for what we want to show on this forum is the video capture.

Scott - I don't know what you're paying for bandwidth for your website, but I use bluehost (http://www.bluehost.com/) and for $7 bones/month I have unlimited.


This is just to say, if you already have a website
And are not concerned about bandwidth
Then you may consider hosting your own Jing videos
In which case you could link to SWF embedded videos on your sight via ...

<swfobject> (http://code.google.com/p/swfobject/)
Adobe comments on <swfoject> here (http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/swfobject.html)



At any rate ... Jing's an option for this, but not quite what I "remembered."

FWIW ... I did noticed a group rate for SnagIt. If a bunch of folks [25] ordered at once, in some kind of BW group maybe, each person could get it for about half price. All upgrades from that point on would be even less.