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MBushell
03-04-2009, 11:28 AM
We just posted a BibleWorks 8 font update containing the new SBL Unicode Greek font ("SBL Greek"). A new version of the BibleWorks executable has also been posted. The new version uses the SBL Greek as the default Unicode Greek font, but unless you change the font in Setup, this doesn't occur until you initialize the BibleWorks INI file.

When you get the patch the font file (SBL_Grk.ttf) will be placed in your BibleWorks root folder. You must manually install the font using the Windows Control Panel Fonts Applet.

This is an advance copy of the font. The official release on the SBL Web site is imminent.

Enjoy!

Mike

Michael Hanel
03-04-2009, 11:36 AM
I know this is a really naive question, but if Unicode is supposed to be able to have more space for more characters, why does SBL need a separate Hebrew Unicode font? Shouldn't a single font file have both the Unicode Hebrew and the Unicode Greek in one? Or will they be combining the two once they have all the bugs worked out in the Unicode Greek?

In any event, thanks for the integration. Hopefully this helps make things more standardized in the future.

MGVH
03-04-2009, 11:57 AM
According to John Hudson who designed the SBL fonts, once both fonts have stable versions, there will be a combined font called SBLBibLit.

Michael Hanel
03-04-2009, 12:24 PM
According to John Hudson who designed the SBL fonts, once both fonts have stable versions, there will be a combined font called SBLBibLit.

[unnecessary political jibe]Wow, keep these people away from government jobs.[/unneccessary political jibe] It seems like they know what they're doing then. Great!

EricH
03-05-2009, 11:10 AM
How exactly do yo install it using the font applet?

SCSaunders
03-05-2009, 11:54 AM
How exactly do yo install it using the font applet?Download and install the patch. The font will automatically install next time you reboot. It's either in the patch description itself or in that dialogue box of the patch itself, once it's unpacked and stating you need to restart BW, that this info is presented.

MBushell
03-06-2009, 03:06 PM
Download and install the patch. The font will automatically install next time you reboot. It's either in the patch description itself or in that dialogue box of the patch itself, once it's unpacked and stating you need to restart BW, that this info is presented.
I don't think the automatic install on reboot is in the program any more. To install the new font do this:

1. Installed the latest font update.
2. This will place the sbl_grk.ttf font in your BW base folder.
3. Open the Control Panel in WIndows (use the classic view in Vista)
4. Double click on the "Fonts" icon
5. Click on the "File" menu option "Add new Font"
6. Navigate to the BW folder and select the sbl_grk.ttf font

That's it.
Mike

SCSaunders
03-06-2009, 05:09 PM
I don't think the automatic install on reboot is in the program any more. To install the new font do this:

1. Installed the latest font update.
2. This will place the sbl_grk.ttf font in your BW base folder.
3. Open the Control Panel in WIndows (use the classic view in Vista)
4. Double click on the "Fonts" icon
5. Click on the "File" menu option "Add new Font"
6. Navigate to the BW folder and select the sbl_grk.ttf font

That's it.
MikeWorked like a charm. Thanks Mike!

I'll take a closer look at that "reboot windows" comment next time a font gets added. Once again, it's the carpenter and not the tools.

jdarlack
03-06-2009, 10:35 PM
Here are some screenshots of the new SBL Greek font:


http://www.oldinthenew.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sbl_greek1.png

Here's a comparison against a few other Unicode Greek fonts (Gentium, Palatino Linotype, Vusillus Old Type, and Arial Unicode MS):


http://www.oldinthenew.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sbl_greek_comarison.png

And finally a shot of the font embedded in some Times New Roman text:


http://www.oldinthenew.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sbl_greek_embedded.png

richardsugg
03-07-2009, 08:41 AM
I'm having trouble using the new font. Here's what I've done:

1 - Patched up to 8.0.007q.1 (A) which includes the new executable and fonts. When I go to get new updates, it now says "no new updates".
2 - Open the control panel, browse to the BW8 folder and install the fonts. What is interesting is that before I install the fonts, I can click on each of the other fonts and see a sample of what they look like. Each of the BW*.ttf fonts show Greek or Hebrew samples, but the SBL_grk.ttf looks like plain old Times New Roman.
3 - After installing the font, I have tried both Word and BW8 editor to use the font, and it never actually shows Greek. It's as though the SBL_greek font wasn't even a Greek font.

The first time I went through this, I did reboot, though I tried this again by deleting the fonts, reapplying the patch, and reinstalling the fonts. Same thing.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Michael Hanel
03-07-2009, 10:00 AM
I'm having trouble using the new font. Here's what I've done:

1 - Patched up to 8.0.007q.1 (A) which includes the new executable and fonts. When I go to get new updates, it now says "no new updates".
2 - Open the control panel, browse to the BW8 folder and install the fonts. What is interesting is that before I install the fonts, I can click on each of the other fonts and see a sample of what they look like. Each of the BW*.ttf fonts show Greek or Hebrew samples, but the SBL_grk.ttf looks like plain old Times New Roman.
3 - After installing the font, I have tried both Word and BW8 editor to use the font, and it never actually shows Greek. It's as though the SBL_greek font wasn't even a Greek font.

The first time I went through this, I did reboot, though I tried this again by deleting the fonts, reapplying the patch, and reinstalling the fonts. Same thing.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Do you know how to type in Unicode Greek with another font, say Palatino Linotype? By default if you select SBL Greek it will continue typing in whatever character set you have been using. So until you switch your keyboard set to Unicode Greek, it will keep using the US character set.

richardsugg
03-07-2009, 10:12 AM
oops...No, I didn't realize you had to do that. So which of the keyboards should I choose? I've attached a screenshot of my choices.

richardsugg
03-07-2009, 10:26 AM
Ok - never mind. The SBL site has their announcement up with a very good FAQ that explains all of this (Greek Polytonic).

http://www.sbl-site.org/educational/BiblicalFonts_FAQ.aspx

Thanks for your help!

richardsugg
03-07-2009, 10:34 AM
Ok, now I know how to use the font in general, but in BW, I haven't quite got it mastered. Forgive my slowness, but in the screenshot, I have the Browse window greek font set to SBL, but you can see behind that the GNT is showing up with the English character set. This is after restarting BW.

Adamsen
03-07-2009, 10:58 AM
Ok, now I know how to use the font in general, but in BW, I haven't quite got it mastered. Forgive my slowness, but in the screenshot, I have the Browse window greek font set to SBL, but you can see behind that the GNT is showing up with the English character set. This is after restarting BW.

If I understand this correctly, you cannot configure BW to use Unicode fonts for the Results window, but only for exports - as the parenthesis says. That's why you see English letters. BW8 converts the Greek of the Results window to Unicode regardless of how you copy or export it. If you have configured the Unicode fonts for export correctly. At least that is how I understand it to work.

JAMiller
04-05-2009, 02:50 PM
Here are some screenshots of the new SBL Greek font:


http://www.oldinthenew.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sbl_greek1.png

Here's a comparison against a few other Unicode Greek fonts (Gentium, Palatino Linotype, Vusillus Old Type, and Arial Unicode MS):


http://www.oldinthenew.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sbl_greek_comarison.png

And finally a shot of the font embedded in some Times New Roman text:


http://www.oldinthenew.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sbl_greek_embedded.png

Out of curiosity, from whom and from where did you get the discussion of James 5. I would be interested in reading more on this passage with regard to the phrase "compassion and mercy."

jdarlack
04-06-2009, 02:31 PM
Out of curiosity, from whom and from where did you get the discussion of James 5. I would be interested in reading more on this passage with regard to the phrase "compassion and mercy." Hi there. This is actually from a blog post of mine:

http://www.oldinthenew.org/?p=354

SCSaunders
04-07-2009, 10:34 AM
...I'll take a closer look at that "reboot windows" comment next time a font gets added. Once again, it's the carpenter and not the tools.I now know what to do now, please see my "worked like a charm" previous post.

I just wanted to confirm that the message I got this time is the same one that threw me off last time. It's not a big deal, but when you get to be my age, you want folks knowing you're not hallucinating these things. :p

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http://i44.tinypic.com/2zzjptj.png

doc_dave
04-08-2009, 08:31 AM
I know this is a really naive question, but if Unicode is supposed to be able to have more space for more characters, why does SBL need a separate Hebrew Unicode font? Shouldn't a single font file have both the Unicode Hebrew and the Unicode Greek in one? Or will they be combining the two once they have all the bugs worked out in the Unicode Greek?

In any event, thanks for the integration. Hopefully this helps make things more standardized in the future.

That was a few days ago, early in the thread, and a brief reply was given. It might help to read John Hudson's more full reply from the SBL fonts forum (http://bit.ly/sErdQ).

The executive summary is that classical Hebrew/polytonic Greek have complex demands still best met by specialized fonts for those with specialist needs. The all-in-one Massive Font (TM) will be your Swiss Army Knife, not your linguistic scalpel.

catus23
05-05-2009, 04:31 AM
When you get the patch the font file (SBL_Grk.ttf) will be placed in your BibleWorks root folder. You must manually install the font using the Windows Control Panel Fonts Applet.i really appreciate it
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