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John Parsons
02-24-2009, 02:44 AM
Hi everyone;

Does anyone know if there is a module for Targum Yonatan (Yerushalami) in Aramaic for BW8? I am also interested in midrashim and any other rabbinical literature.

Thanks

MGVH
02-24-2009, 08:31 AM
Per the BW web site (http://www.bibleworks.com/content/full.html):
The Targumim, parsed, lemmatized and tied to entries in the Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon. Also included:

FragTargums with morphology, TgSheniSuppEsther with morphology, TgTosefProphets with morphology
Psalms Targum (English)
Rodkinson Babylonian Talmud and Mishnah
(English)
Targum Cairo Geniza with morphology
Targum Jerusalem on the Pentateuch (English) (Etheridge)
Targum Neofiti with morphology
Targum NeofMarginalia with morphology
Targum Onkelos on the Pentateuch (English) (Etheridge)
Targum Pseudo Jonathan on the Pentateuch (Etheridge)
Targum PseudoJonathan with morphology
Targumim (Mostly Onkelos and Jonathan) with morphology (updated 2005)

I'm assuming that when you say "Targum Yonatan (Yerushalami)" that you mean Pseudo-Jonathan. As you can see, it's all there and morph-tagged and has CAL Lexicon glosses provided in BW8 along with the Etheridge translation.

There is at least one midrash collection available for BW, Lewis Ginzberg's Legends of the Jews. (Get it HERE from the BW blog (http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/?p=33).) It's only the first 4 vols, so you'll have to do a little digging to check out the invaluable notes in vols 5-6.
[A little help: Note that Volume 5 (http://www.amazon.com/LEGENDS-JEWS-VOL-Creation-Exodus/dp/1596057920/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/102-2766410-7789741) with footnotes to vols 1-2 has the "Search Inside" feature on Amazon. Similarly, check out Volume 6 (http://www.amazon.com/Legends-Jews-Moses-Esther-Volumes/dp/080185895X/ref=pd_sim_b_3/102-2766410-7789741) (notes to vols 3-4) and Volume 7 (http://www.amazon.com/Legends-Jews-Index-Volumes-through/dp/0801858968/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/102-2766410-7789741) (indices).]

MortenJensen
02-25-2009, 03:38 AM
Hi
I am interested in this as well.
Actually, I am looking for Targum jonathan to the Prophets - espc. the Targum on Esaiah. It can be found in English translation in The Aramaic Bible, vol. 11.

But it does not seem that the Aramaic text has made it into BW.

What are the story behind this Targums and BW? What are the reason behind some are included and others not?

Morten

jdarlack
02-25-2009, 11:46 AM
This should be in the TAR/TAM version. (There's no English translation available in BW.) :(

MGVH
02-25-2009, 12:51 PM
As Jim notes, the Aramaic is in BW in the TAR/TAM.

Targum Isaiah in English is available here in Google books:
http://books.google.com/books?id=_boCAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=chaldee+paraphrase+Isaiah

It's an 1871 edition by Pauli, so you would still want to consult Chilton's newer translation, but it's a start. This would be a good link to add to ERMIE.

Check here for more Targumic texts: http://targum.info/?page_id=7

John Parsons
02-26-2009, 03:19 AM
Thank you, Dr. Hoffman, but it appears the link on the blog site is faulty?

MortenJensen
02-26-2009, 07:07 AM
Hi Mark
Thanks for these links (although I cannot get anything out of Google. I can type in something like '53' and it returns some broken pages ... no reading of entire passages seems possible).

One other thing: do you know why only some Targumim are included in BW? What is the story behind the present collection?

Also: there are an English version of some of it available in a user database.

Morten


As Jim notes, the Aramaic is in BW in the TAR/TAM.

Targum Isaiah in English is available here in Google books:
http://books.google.com/books?id=_boCAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=chaldee+paraphrase+Isaiah

It's an 1871 edition by Pauli, so you would still want to consult Chilton's newer translation, but it's a start. This would be a good link to add to ERMIE.

Check here for more Targumic texts: http://targum.info/?page_id=7

MortenJensen
02-26-2009, 02:06 PM
Hi again
It turns out that all the info I was looking for is in the version notes to TAR.
BW just keeps amazing me. I really really love how more and more texts keep crawling in!
Morten

Copyright and Source Information:

TAR
TAR/TAM Targumim (Aramaic Old Testament)
The Targum material is derived from the Hebrew Union College CAL (Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon) project. For information on specific books see http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/searching/targum_info.html (http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/searching/targum_info.html).
Go to http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/index.html (http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/index.html) to search the full CAL Aramaic Database.
Targum variants in BibleWorks are tagged in the TAM with V0, V1, V2, etc. In addition to the tagging variants have also been distinguished by color using the text highlighter. If you do not see the variants in different colors click Tools|Text Highlighter, and activate the TAM and TAR color files. If these colors are not turned on you can turn them on by going to Tools | Color Selection Window from the Main Menu.
The sources for the books in the current release are:
Gen Onkelos Genesis
Exo Onkelos Exododus
Lev Onkelos Leviticus
Num Onkelos Numbers
Deu Onkelos Deuteronomy
Jos Jonathan Joshua
Jdg Jonathan Judges
1Sa Jonathan 1Samuel
2Sa Jonathan 2Samuel
1Ki Jonathan 1Kings
2Ki Jonathan 2Kings
Isa Jonathan Isaaiah
Jer Jonathan Jerermiah
Eze Jonathan Ezekiel
Hos Jonathan Hosea
Joe Jonathan Joel
Amo Jonathan Amos
Oba Jonathan Obadiah
Jon Jonathan Jonah
Mic Jonathan Micah
Nah Jonathan Nahum
Hab Jonathan Habbakuk
Zep Jonathan Zephaniah
Hag Jonathan Haggai
Zec Jonathan Zechariah
Mal Jonathan Malachi
Psa Targum Psalms
Job Targum Job
Sol Targum Song of Songs
Rut Targum Ruth
Qoh TgQoh
Lam TgLamSperber
Est TgSheniEsther
1Ch Tg1Chron
2Ch Tg2Chron
Esr TgRishonEsther
Ess TgShlishiEsther
Lay TgLamYem
Law TgLamWT
Pro TgProv

jdarlack
02-26-2009, 04:29 PM
One other thing: do you know why only some Targumim are included in BW? What is the story behind the present collection? The English translations available in BibleWorks as of now are basically those translations that are either in public domain or have been released for public use by the translator. All of these texts can be found at the NTCS site (http://targum.info/?page_id=7). The texts were 'versified' and converted into BW versions by Jay Palmer.

As far as I know, that's the story.

I do hope that one day the Aramaic Bible series is digitized and made available for BW (or some other format). It would be an invaluable resource.

Accordance is working on their own English translation of the Targumim [here (http://www.accordancebible.com/store/details/?pid=TARG-E)]. So far they've completed Onkelos, Neofiti and Pseudo-Jonathan on the Pentateuch, and Targum Jonathan to Joshua, Judges, 1 & 2 Samuel, and Hosea. Perhaps one day BW can obtain this translation from Accordance in a way similar to the Greek OT Pseudepigrapha versions. Hint hint.

MortenJensen
02-27-2009, 01:49 AM
Jim, thanks for the clarification.

Just one thing: can you tell me how I use the GoogleBooks scan of Targum Esaiah?

To me it seems that the only thing you can do is to search for text. You cannot browse the book.

I would like to read the translation of Isa 52-53 - how do I get to those pages?

Morten

John Parsons
02-27-2009, 04:55 AM
Hi again
It turns out that all the info I was looking for is in the version notes to TAR.
BW just keeps amazing me. I really really love how more and more texts keep crawling in!
Morten

Copyright and Source Information:

TAR
TAR/TAM Targumim (Aramaic Old Testament)
The Targum material is derived from the Hebrew Union College CAL

Okay -- how do I find TAR? I don't think it's a part of the standard Bw8 product, nu?

MortenJensen
02-27-2009, 07:47 AM
Huh?
Hope it is included in bw8 as well.
It is in bw 7 - under Hebrew Texts.

Morten

MGVH
02-27-2009, 10:27 AM
Note that the book uses Roman numerals for chapters.
In the Search box at the upper right of the window, type in LII and you will find it among the hits.

jdarlack
02-27-2009, 12:05 PM
The link given below should take you to Isaiah 52 (or somewhere thereabouts).

The Chaldee paraphrase on the prophet Isaiah [by Jonathan b. Uzziel] tr. by C.W.H. Pauli By Jonathan b. Uzziel (http://books.google.com/books?id=_boCAAAAQAAJ&dq=chaldee%20paraphrase%20Isaiah&pg=PA179&ci=100,1307,854,264&source=bookclip)

You can download this document as a PDF, at least from the US version of Google (here (http://books.google.com/books?id=_boCAAAAQAAJ)).

John Parsons
02-27-2009, 01:35 PM
Huh?
Hope it is included in bw8 as well.
It is in bw 7 - under Hebrew Texts.

Morten

Aha... Well there's your problem -- Aramaic is not Hebrew (and vice-versa) -- despite the Babylonian connection and the misinformed comments by certain translators. Shalom :rolleyes:

MortenJensen
02-28-2009, 03:00 AM
? what ? :eek:
Of cause Aramaic is not Hebrew ... but the Targumim are nevertheless listed under Hebrew in BW :)
Morten


Aha... Well there's your problem -- Aramaic is not Hebrew (and vice-versa) -- despite the Babylonian connection and the misinformed comments by certain translators. Shalom :rolleyes:

MortenJensen
02-28-2009, 03:03 AM
Jim! Thanks, I've got it now - an entire sweet PDF file - a scan from Harvard U Library. Where is Google going to take us next? :)
Morten


The link given below should take you to Isaiah 52 (or somewhere thereabouts).

The Chaldee paraphrase on the prophet Isaiah [by Jonathan b. Uzziel] tr. by C.W.H. Pauli By Jonathan b. Uzziel (http://books.google.com/books?id=_boCAAAAQAAJ&dq=chaldee%20paraphrase%20Isaiah&pg=PA179&ci=100,1307,854,264&source=bookclip)

You can download this document as a PDF, at least from the US version of Google (here (http://books.google.com/books?id=_boCAAAAQAAJ)).