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Michael Hanel
12-09-2008, 12:31 PM
There's a BibleWorks connection to the Reader's Hebrew Bible. The work was done by a very avid BibleWorks user and you can read a bit more about that connection on the Koinonia blog (http://zondervan.typepad.com/koinonia/2008/12/an-interview-with-a-philip-brown-ii-part-1-author-of-a-readers-hebrew-bible-with-bryan-w-smith.html).

I bought the book long ago and can vouch for its good construction.

Adelphos
12-16-2008, 09:16 PM
I got a gift card for Barnes & Noble and used it to buy RHB. They only had the one copy, it was misplaced, so it took me and one of the clerks a while to find it.

What a monumental task producing RHB must have been, especially having to use MSWord. I can't imagine the headaches.

Anyway, great job. I love the duotone leather. That was the deciding factor for me. :cool:

Adelphos
12-17-2008, 08:47 PM
For those who may be considering the Reader's Hebrew Bible, I have found the font and the text to be the easiest on the eyes of any printed Hebrew Bible I have, and I have a fair number of them. The RHB is very easy to read.

Michael Hanel
12-17-2008, 08:54 PM
For those who may be considering the Reader's Hebrew Bible, I have found the font and the text to be the easiest on the eyes of any printed Hebrew Bible I have, and I have a fair number of them. The RHB is very easy to read.

AND it has that nice leather cover. Time will tell but I wish the BHS was made as nicely as this seems to be.

Adelphos
12-17-2008, 09:02 PM
AND it has that nice leather cover. Time will tell but I wish the BHS was made as nicely as this seems to be.

Well, while we're wishing, I'd love to have a Bomberg (2nd Edition) as nice as this.

But I may have to wait until I get to heave for that. :rolleyes:

ingosorke
12-17-2008, 10:26 PM
And while we're at it (previously posted - maybe some stray publisher will read this!), I'd like the Reader's edition co-published with a Greek Reader's edition. I find the font of the UBS edition much easier to read than Zondervan's 2nd edition. The Utriusque edition is a little bulky.

All I want for Christmas is a OT/NT Reader's Combo . . .

Ingo

Michael Hanel
12-18-2008, 09:55 AM
And while we're at it (previously posted - maybe some stray publisher will read this!), I'd like the Reader's edition co-published with a Greek Reader's edition. I find the font of the UBS edition much easier to read than Zondervan's 2nd edition. The Utriusque edition is a little bulky.

All I want for Christmas is a OT/NT Reader's Combo . . .

Ingo

Well the UBS edition better have something going for it since it costs $20+ more. :(

Adelphos
12-18-2008, 06:07 PM
The Utriusque edition is a little bulky... All I want for Christmas is a OT/NT Reader's Combo . . .Ingo

Given the size of RHB, I think adding the RGNT would make it pretty bulky as well. But I suspect you'll ultimately get your wish, i.e., it wouldn't surprise me at all if Zondervan takes it to the next level and combines the two.

I won't buy it though, as I prefer the Textus Receptus, and I really don't need the glosses anyway.

If anyone is interested, the Trinitarian Bible Society publishes a couple of pretty nice Greek Textus Receptus New Testaments --

http://www.tbs-sales.org/

Trajan
12-20-2008, 10:04 PM
I'll have to look at this. The Greek version is very nice.

SCSaunders
12-21-2008, 04:08 PM
I'll have to look at this. Totally worth the investment. A thing of beauty it is. Much, much easier to use than BHS w. Armstrong, Busby & Carr. JMHO.

Sansom48
01-10-2009, 09:31 PM
I have looked a few times at the RHB and would like to at some point own one (if I can convince my wife I need yet one more book) However, I think that I would be more tempted to buy it with the Greek NT and the Hebrew OT Readers additions combined, I know it would be bulky, but right now I use the Biblia Sacra and don't find it difficult to use outside of my constant use of a lexicon.

jdarlack
09-10-2009, 03:15 PM
The combined version of the NT and OT is to be released some April 2010:
http://www.zondervan.com/images/product/medium/0310325897.jpg (http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en-US/Product/ProductDetail.htm?ProdID=com.zondervan.97803103258 95&QueryStringSite=Zondervan)

SCSaunders
09-10-2009, 04:40 PM
The combined version of the NT and OT is to be released some April 2010:
http://www.zondervan.com/images/product/medium/0310325897.jpg (http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en-US/Product/ProductDetail.htm?ProdID=com.zondervan.97803103258 95&QueryStringSite=Zondervan)Awesome! 123456

ISalzman
09-10-2009, 09:33 PM
The combined version of the NT and OT is to be released some April 2010:
http://www.zondervan.com/images/product/medium/0310325897.jpg (http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en-US/Product/ProductDetail.htm?ProdID=com.zondervan.97803103258 95&QueryStringSite=Zondervan)

Jim, I hate to add to your "things to do," but if it would be at all possible for you to post about this again once it is released, I'd be ever so grateful.

Irving

bkMitchell
09-11-2009, 12:21 AM
Well, while we're wishing, I'd love to have a Bomberg (2nd Edition) as nice as this.


Yes, you and everyone else... Maybe some publisher could be encouraged to reprint the 2nd edition?
But, there are a lot of Mikraot Gedoloth editions out there that may in some small way be related to the 2nd edition.

Here's a link about some happy people that recently got a 2nd edition: the link
(http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/09/20_bible.shtml)

SCSaunders
09-11-2009, 10:12 AM
Yes, you and everyone else... Maybe some publisher could be encouraged to reprint the 2nd edition?
But, there are a lot of Mikraot Gedoloth editions out there that may in some small way be related to the 2nd edition.

Here's a link about some happy people that recently got a 2nd edition: the link
(http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/09/20_bible.shtml)Cool. Didn't know what this was until your post w. link. Thanks.

SCSaunders
09-11-2009, 10:16 AM
The combined version of the NT and OT is to be released some April 2010:
http://www.zondervan.com/images/product/medium/0310325897.jpg (http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en-US/Product/ProductDetail.htm?ProdID=com.zondervan.97803103258 95&QueryStringSite=Zondervan)
How they can provide this ["RHGB"?], with all the bells and whistles for less than ...
http://www.nbcindia.com/Booksimages/1598561790.gif (http://www.amazon.com/Biblia-Utriusque-Testamenti-Editio-Hebraica/dp/1598561790)
...is amazing. I'm grateful: I'm amazed.

ISalzman
09-11-2009, 10:32 AM
Yes, you and everyone else... Maybe some publisher could be encouraged to reprint the 2nd edition?
But, there are a lot of Mikraot Gedoloth editions out there that may in some small way be related to the 2nd edition.

Here's a link about some happy people that recently got a 2nd edition: the link
(http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/09/20_bible.shtml)

Thanks for the excellent article. You might be interested to know, though the article doesn't say it, Yaakov ben Chayim became a believer in the Messiah later in his life.

SCSaunders
09-11-2009, 11:00 AM
.... You might be interested to know, though the article doesn't say it, Yaakov ben Chayim became a believer in the Messiah later in his life.
Locally, we've got two really good bible churches. We go here Immanuel Bible Church (http://www.immanuelbible.net).

The one that is a bit further down the road is pastored by a gentleman whose testimony is also that of a seed of Abraham according to both the flesh and the faith. His name is Lon Solomon.

God has blessed this man and his ministry.

McLean Bible Church (http://www.mcleanbible.org)

http://i29.tinypic.com/124hszp.png (http://www.mcleanbible.org/pages/page.asp?page_id=16757)

ISalzman
09-11-2009, 11:37 AM
Locally, we've got two really good bible churches. We go here Immanuel Bible Church (http://www.immanuelbible.net).

The one that is a bit further down the road is pastored by a gentleman whose testimony is also that of a seed of Abraham according to both the flesh and the faith. His name is Lon Solomon.

God has blessed this man and his ministry.

McLean Bible Church (http://www.mcleanbible.org)

http://i29.tinypic.com/124hszp.png (http://www.mcleanbible.org/pages/page.asp?page_id=16757)


Thanks SC. I've heard of Lon Solomon (He's one of our boys too! :)) I know people in his church.

SCSaunders
09-11-2009, 11:59 AM
Thanks SC. I've heard of Lon Solomon (He's one of our boys too! :)) I know people in his church.Very cool! :)

ingosorke
09-11-2009, 02:43 PM
The Hebrew-Greek Combo will be a great resource; I just hope they fix the Greek font by making it more readable.

Ingo

ISalzman
09-12-2009, 07:43 AM
The combined version of the NT and OT is to be released some April 2010:
http://www.zondervan.com/images/product/medium/0310325897.jpg (http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en-US/Product/ProductDetail.htm?ProdID=com.zondervan.97803103258 95&QueryStringSite=Zondervan)

Does anybody know if this resource comes with or will come with the critical apparati for both the Old and New Testaments?

SCSaunders
09-12-2009, 09:32 AM
Does anybody know if this resource comes with or will come with the critical apparati for both the Old and New Testaments?The prior versions did not.

My guess, the math goes something like: combine the two existing versions = sans critical apparati

Edit~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

After thought/guess (take this with a quarry of salt) - the purpose of this resource, per the title, is to read. The bottom of each page in this reader's bible is filled with lexical aids for reading. From a layout perspective, I don't think (JMHO, quarry of salt), there's enough room to accomplish two goals - reading and textual criticism. Personally, I favor the former goal. The way I see it is that I will now have both language texts in one volume, with lexical helps at the bottom of each page to assist my reading of the text. I will no longer need a reader's lexicon. I won't have to fire up a computer to access BW8 each and every time. Personally, I see this as a major benefit.

ISalzman
09-12-2009, 02:49 PM
The prior versions did not.

My guess, the math goes something like: combine the two existing versions = sans critical apparati

Edit~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

After thought/guess (take this with a quarry of salt) - the purpose of this resource, per the title, is to read. The bottom of each page in this reader's bible is filled with lexical aids for reading. From a layout perspective, I don't think (JMHO, quarry of salt), there's enough room to accomplish two goals - reading and textual criticism. Personally, I favor the former goal. The way I see it is that I will now have both language texts in one volume, with lexical helps at the bottom of each page to assist my reading of the text. I will no longer need a reader's lexicon. I won't have to fire up a computer to access BW8 each and every time. Personally, I see this as a major benefit.

I understand. It's hard to get everything one would want into one volume. Thanks SC.

bkMitchell
09-13-2009, 12:24 AM
You might be interested to know, though the article doesn't say it, Yaakov ben Chayim became a believer in the Messiah later in his life.

Yes, Elijah Levita in 1538 in his, Massoreth Ha-massoreth (link) (http://www.bibleworks.com/www.archive.org/details/themassorethhama00ashuuoft) noted with a very disrespectful remark(curse) that Yaakov Ben Hayyim had converted to Christianity and thus become a meshumad(apostate).



אכן המסורת המארבע ועשרים הנדפסות הנה לא ראיתי כהנה בכל ספרי הקדמונים מסודרים ומתוקנים ביופי ובה ובהדור ובטוב הדור סדרם אחד מהנבונים היה שמו לפנים בישראל נקרא יעקב תהי נשמתו צרורה בצרור נקוב

"as to the Massorah, in the twenty-four sacred books printed here, I have not seen anything like it, among all the ancient books, for arrangement and correctness, for beauty and excellence, and for good order. They were by one of the learned, whose name was formerly Jacob (let his soul be bound up in a bag with holes)."pg 94 of Ginsburg's translation.

ISalzman
09-13-2009, 11:05 AM
Yes, Elijah Levita in 1538 in his, Massoreth Ha-massoreth (link) (http://www.bibleworks.com/www.archive.org/details/themassorethhama00ashuuoft) noted with a very disrespectful remark(curse) that Yaakov Ben Hayyim had converted to Christianity and thus become a meshumad(apostate).



אכן המסורת המארבע ועשרים הנדפסות הנה לא ראיתי כהנה בכל ספרי הקדמונים מסודרים ומתוקנים ביופי ובה ובהדור ובטוב הדור סדרם אחד מהנבונים היה שמו לפנים בישראל נקרא יעקב תהי נשמתו צרורה בצרור נקוב

"as to the Massorah, in the twenty-four sacred books printed here, I have not seen anything like it, among all the ancient books, for arrangement and correctness, for beauty and excellence, and for good order. They were by one of the learned, whose name was formerly Jacob (let his soul be bound up in a bag with holes)."pg 94 of Ginsburg's translation.


Wow, thanks for the interesting quote. The beauty of it all was that here was a man - Yaakov ben Chayim - who handled the text of the Hebrew Scriptures and had a proficiency with them almost unrivaled by most of his peers who could not escape the Messianic claims of Jesus and eventually submitted to them. Ben Chayim's text served as the basis of the rabbinic bible into the 20th century. Amazing, huh?

bkMitchell
09-14-2009, 06:24 AM
On, Philip Brown's blog; Exegetical thoughts and Biblical theology
on Wednesday January 23, 2008 he post (link) (http://exegeticalthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/01/readers-hebrew-bible-review-by-its.html)
in some detail about typesetting the 1st edition of the Readers Hebrew Bible.
(post includes a few good pictures of it too).

(http://exegeticalthoughts.blogspot.com/)

Michael Hanel
09-14-2009, 01:16 PM
On, Philip Brown's blog; Exegetical thoughts and Biblical theology
on Wednesday January 23, 2008 he post (link) (http://exegeticalthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/01/readers-hebrew-bible-review-by-its.html)
in some detail about typesetting the 1st edition of the Readers Hebrew Bible.
(post includes a few good pictures of it too).

(http://exegeticalthoughts.blogspot.com/)

Thanks for this post. I had never seen it before, but it is very interesting. It's amazing what people will do for a labor of love. I certainly know Philip isn't going to be compensated anywhere close to what is reasonable based on the amount of hours of work this must have taken. (kind of reminds me how many hours Glenn (and others?) must have spent looking at the Church Fathers module which didn't necessarily amount to any more money from paying customers, but still added value and function to what we already had)

Adelphos
09-14-2009, 02:45 PM
Thanks for this post. I had never seen it before, but it is very interesting. It's amazing what people will do for a labor of love. I certainly know Philip isn't going to be compensated anywhere close to what is reasonable based on the amount of hours of work this must have taken. (kind of reminds me how many hours Glenn (and others?) must have spent looking at the Church Fathers module which didn't necessarily amount to any more money from paying customers, but still added value and function to what we already had)

In my mind, Glenn's work was nothing short of heroic. They couldn't have paid me enough to do it.

Precha1
09-14-2009, 03:24 PM
In my mind, Glenn's work was nothing short of heroic.

If I might add a man driven with a purpose to pursue God passionately, know Him intimately, and trust Him wholeheartedly.

May God richly reward and bless the BW group.