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MGVH
10-30-2008, 01:29 AM
Goal: Create a search limit that is composed of the presumed texts defined as the "Q" text (ie, material that is common to Matthew and Luke that does not appear in Mark)

Partial Solution: I used the list of Q texts that is available in the q-miller.sdf file (a file available as a Synopsis Tool collection) which uses Robert Miller's list of Q texts. I was able to pull out all the Matthew and Luke texts.
In your BW7 init directory, open the limlist.udb file using Notepad.
Download/open the attached TXT file.
Copy the text in this file and Paste it to the end of the limlist.udb file. Save/close.
Now when you select search limits (eg, "l qluke" or "l qmatthew" or choose from dialog box), you will be able to search on those texts.

Problems:
1) When conducting searches, you will note that this lengthy list of verses will take a bit longer than one is used to in BW7.
2) I tried to combine the Matthew and Luke texts into a single QTexts limit, but it caused BW7 to crash every time.

>> Are there restrictions on the extent of search limit definitions?
>> Is there a better way to search such a long list? I was thinking of creating a Verse list file (VLS), but that's more work than I want to do right now without knowing that it will work. (The VLS file requires an entry for every single verse. Verse ranges cannot be used.)

Michael Hanel
10-30-2008, 09:27 AM
Can you pull out the text of those verses, and compile them into a new version? when you run it through the VDC, it'll create blank verses/chapters to fill in the gap, but if you're running searches, it'll be as if it ignores those verses anyway.

MGVH
10-30-2008, 12:18 PM
Shortly after the first post, I thought of a better way...
It took a few minutes (which seems like forever in BW7), but using my lists, I did a wildcard search so that the search results returned every verse in the search limit. I then used these to create Verse Lists for Matthew, for Luke, and for a combined one which is the verse list for Q. They are attached. Copy them to your BW7 "ase" directory.

You can use these Verse Lists in your Graphical Search Engine. The searches run fairly quickly.

MGVH
10-30-2008, 12:21 PM
I then cleaned up the verse ranges for use in the Search Limits, and it runs much more quickly. As noted in the initial post:
In your BW7 init directory, open the limlist.udb file using Notepad.
Download/open the attached TXT file.
Copy the text in this file and Paste it to the end of the limlist.udb file. Save/close.
Now when you select search limits (eg, "l qluke" or "l qmatthew" or choose from dialog box), you will be able to search on those texts. Searches run much more quickly.

Still a problem: I tried combining these two groups into an addition Qtexts one, and it still crashes BW every time.

Michael: I tried compiling a version with blank references. It seems to work compiling (and I tried both w/ and w/out the "Print Blank references"), but I can't seem to be able to use it...

Michael Hanel
10-30-2008, 12:48 PM
Michael: I tried compiling a version with blank references. It seems to work compiling (and I tried both w/ and w/out the "Print Blank references"), but I can't seem to be able to use it...

Well I probably should have been more clear. I haven't the time yet to play around w what you're talking about but I envisioned copying the verses you have in question with their text (not just the verse references), and then put those in the VDC. Wouldn't you then have a version consisting of all your Q texts? Or maybe I'm not fully grasping your quest.

Ruben Gomez
11-27-2009, 12:53 PM
I then cleaned up the verse ranges for use in the Search Limits, and it runs much more quickly. As noted in the initial post:
In your BW7 init directory, open the limlist.udb file using Notepad.
Download/open the attached TXT file.
Copy the text in this file and Paste it to the end of the limlist.udb file. Save/close.
Now when you select search limits (eg, "l qluke" or "l qmatthew" or choose from dialog box), you will be able to search on those texts. Searches run much more quickly.

Still a problem: I tried combining these two groups into an addition Qtexts one, and it still crashes BW every time.

Michael: I tried compiling a version with blank references. It seems to work compiling (and I tried both w/ and w/out the "Print Blank references"), but I can't seem to be able to use it...

Mark,

I looked at your txt file today and I spotted two errors:
Luk 17:33-35 should be Luk 14:33-35 (wrong chapter number)
Mat 11:16-19 Mat 11:21-27 should be Mat 11:16-19; Mat 11:21-27 (missing semicolon)

I don't know if that is what caused the problem, but I thought I would mention it anyway, just in case.

Best,

MGVH
11-28-2009, 01:35 AM
Hi, Rubén,
Thanks for noticing the problems. The lack of the semicolon does have the potential of messing things up... but fixing it still doesn't keep BW8 from crashing if the Matthew and Luke Q texts are added as a search range.
Couple work arounds:
I can search QMatthew and QLuke and then merge results.
OR
I can use Verse List Manager to import all the Q Matthew & Luke texts, then export that list to the Search Window, then limit my search to verses in search window.
Thanks again!

Glenn Weaver
12-01-2009, 12:52 PM
The custom search range was limited to 1024 characters. The combined Q search exceeded that limit, causing the program to crash. The latest exe update has a limit of 4096 characters in a custom search limit, so now the Q search range can be set.

Ruben Gomez
12-01-2009, 01:53 PM
The custom search range was limited to 1024 characters. The combined Q search exceeded that limit, causing the program to crash. The latest exe update has a limit of 4096 characters in a custom search limit, so now the Q search range can be set.

Thank you for being so sensitive to the needs of your users.

God bless.

MGVH
12-02-2009, 09:19 AM
Excellent! Thank you, Glenn. I checked and the Q text list was 1152 characters, so it was just going over the limit and causing the crash.
I updated, and now it works great.

If anyone else would like to search on the Q texts (noting its speculative nature and questions about exact limits...):

I used the list of Q texts that is available in the q-miller.sdf file (a file available as a Synopsis Tool collection) which uses Robert Miller's list of Q texts. I was able to pull out all the Matthew and Luke texts.

Here is the easy way if you just want a QText limit. (Thank Ruben for reminding me that this is faster.)


Open the BW Options Window > Searching > Search Limits (the fastest way to do this is to double-click on Limits at the bottom of the main BW window)
Type in QText under "Add new Predefined Range" > Description
Choose one of your Greek versions (eg, BGT)
Copy and paste the following text into the Range box:
Mat 3:7-12; Mat 4:1-7; Mat 4:9-13; Mat 5:1-4; Mat 5:6; Mat 5:11-13; Mat 5:15; Mat 5:18; Mat 5:25-26; Mat 5:32; Mat 5:39-42; Mat 5:44-48; Mat 6:9-13; Mat 6:19-33; Mat 7:1-5; Mat 7:7-14; Mat 7:16-28; Mat 8:5-13; Mat 8:19-22; Mat 9:37-38; Mat 10:7-16; Mat 10:19; Mat 10:24-40; Mat 11:2-13; Mat 11:16-19; Mat 11:21-27; Mat 12:22-30; Mat 12:32-35; Mat 12:38-45; Mat 13:16-17; Mat 13:31-33; Mat 15:14; Mat 16:2-3; Mat 17:20; Mat 18:6-7; Mat 18:12-13; Mat 18:15; Mat 18:21-22; Mat 19:28; Mat 20:16; Mat 22:1-10; Mat 23:12-13; Mat 23:29-32; Mat 23:34-39; Mat 24:26-28; Mat 24:37; Mat 24:39-41; Mat 24:43-51; Mat 25:14-30; Luk 3:7-9; Luk 3:16-17; Luk 4:1-13; Luk 6:12; Luk 6:17; Luk 6:20-49; Luk 7:1-10; Luk 7:18-20; Luk 7:22-28; Luk 7:31-35; Luk 9:57-62; Luk 10:2-16; Luk 10:21-24; Luk 11:2-4; Luk 11:9-36; Luk 11:47-52; Luk 12:2-14; Luk 12:16-31; Luk 12:33-34; Luk 12:39-40; Luk 12:42-46; Luk 12:49; Luk 12:51-59; Luk 13:18-21; Luk 13:24-30; Luk 13:34-35; Luk 14:11; Luk 14:16-24; Luk 14:26-27; Luk 14:33-35; Luk 15:4-10; Luk 16:13; Luk 16:16-18; Luk 17:1-4; Luk 17:6; Luk 17:22-24; Luk 17:26-30; Luk 17:34-35; Luk 17:37; Luk 18:14; Luk 19:12-26; Luk 22:28-30


If you want QMatthew, QLuke, and a QText limits, do this:


In your BW init directory, open the limlist.udb file using Notepad.
Download/open the attached TXT file.
Copy the text in this file and Paste it to the end of the limlist.udb file. Save/close.

Now when you select search limits (eg, "l qluke" or "l qmatthew" or "l qtext" or choose from dialog box), you will be able to search on those texts.

Jim Wert
11-20-2012, 12:35 AM
Mark,
I haven't seen this synopsis file. Is it still available somewhere?


I used the list of Q texts that is available in the q-miller.sdf file (a file available as a Synopsis Tool collection) which uses Robert Miller's list of Q texts. I was able to pull out all the Matthew and Luke texts.
Thanks,
Jim

MGVH
11-21-2012, 12:42 AM
I had assumed that q-miller.sdf was part of BW. You don't see it when you open the synopsis window > File > open... ?

Donald Cobb
11-21-2012, 05:16 AM
I had assumed that q-miller.sdf was part of BW. You don't see it when you open the synopsis window > File > open... ?

No, unfortunately not! I would also be interested, BTW...

Regards,

Donald Cobb
Aix-en-Provence, France

Jim Wert
11-21-2012, 11:17 AM
I had assumed that q-miller.sdf was part of BW. You don't see it when you open the synopsis window > File > open... ?

I looked at the sdf files shipped with BW7, BW8, and BW9. There was no Q synopsis in any of them.
I also checked the Unofficial Blog repository, and couldn't find it there.

I would very much appreciate if you would share it.

--Jim

MGVH
11-21-2012, 12:14 PM
If someone on the BW staff sees this, can they confirm if the sdf files have been removed?
If they are no longer included w/ BW, may I share those sdf files here that I have in my collection?
Mark

Jim Wert
11-22-2012, 11:00 AM
This should perhaps go in the User-created databases (http://www.bibleworks.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?62-User-created-databases) forum, but the discussion is happening here, so ...

There may well be copyright issues around distributing synopsis (.sdf) files that are based on copyrighted material.

It is simple to create your own when the information is available online. (BW help provides information on how to do it, and the synopsis files in you init BW directory give a bunch of examples.)

Robert J. Miller's synopsis is available at http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/q-contents.html .
It is the second table on that page.
You can simply copy it into a .txt file, and edit it into BW synopsis format, using the editor of your choice (I would use LibreOffice Writer).
Then rename it to .sdf and copy it into your BW init directory.

MBushell
11-22-2012, 11:17 AM
If someone on the BW staff sees this, can they confirm if the sdf files have been removed?
If they are no longer included w/ BW, may I share those sdf files here that I have in my collection?
Mark

I don't have the qmiller.sdf file anywhere on my system so I don't think it was ever distributed by us. I could be wrong about that. It happens often enough! But I don't think so. We try to be careful to obey copyright laws. For us to distribute it I think we would need to find out if the material is copyrighted. However, I think it is within the fair use provisions of copyright law for people to share the data for private use.

Mike

Donald Cobb
11-23-2012, 11:07 AM
This should perhaps go in the User-created databases (http://www.bibleworks.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?62-User-created-databases) forum, but the discussion is happening here, so ...

There may well be copyright issues around distributing synopsis (.sdf) files that are based on copyrighted material.

It is simple to create your own when the information is available online. (BW help provides information on how to do it, and the synopsis files in you init BW directory give a bunch of examples.)

Robert J. Miller's synopsis is available at http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/q-contents.html .
It is the second table on that page.
You can simply copy it into a .txt file, and edit it into BW synopsis format, using the editor of your choice (I would use LibreOffice Writer).
Then rename it to .sdf and copy it into your BW init directory.

A hearty thanks to Jim for pointing out the link.

Ok, I tried following the instructions in the Help file. With some fiddling around I got a Miller list to work--it's actually quite nice! But... there's one reference that just doesn't come up. I'm assuming there are too many verses for the synopsis window to handle (?). Might that be the problem? It's this:

Coming of son of Adam|Lk 17:22-24;17:26-30;17:34-35;17:37|Mt 24:26-28;24:37;24:39-41

Any ideas? Is there something that I've done wrong?

Thanks!

Donald Cobb
Aix-en-Provence, France

Jim Wert
11-24-2012, 01:27 PM
Ok, I tried following the instructions in the Help file. With some fiddling around I got a Miller list to work--it's actually quite nice! But... there's one reference that just doesn't come up. I'm assuming there are too many verses for the synopsis window to handle (?). Might that be the problem? It's this:

Coming of son of Adam|Lk 17:22-24;17:26-30;17:34-35;17:37|Mt 24:26-28;24:37;24:39-41

Any ideas? Is there something that I've done wrong?

Thanks!

Donald Cobb
Aix-en-Provence, France

Try changing Lk to Luk, and Mt to Mat
When I did that It displayed for me.

Donald Cobb
11-26-2012, 01:49 AM
Try changing Lk to Luk, and Mt to Mat
When I did that It displayed for me.

Thanks Jim. Yes, it was that, exactly.

Looking at the early christian writings list, I see the problem. All the entries in that list have "Luke" and "Matt"--with one exception, that being the entry I had problems with. For that one, the entries are with "Lk" and "Mt". I did an automatic search and replace in Word, with "Luk" and "Mat," which converted all the entries but that one. Obviously.

I was so hung up on the rest of elements in that entry that I didn't even think to look at the abbreviations.

However, I now notice another problem: when I use the shortcut "e" to highlight textual differences, this function doesn't seem to work in the synopsis tool. typing in the shortcut actually truncates the text. Not very helpful for comparison purposes! Does anyone else have this problem?

Donald Cobb
Aix-en-Provence, France