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hudsonhauck
06-20-2008, 01:18 AM
Greetings!

In case you didn't know already, Linux users, Wine 1.0 (http://www.winehq.org/?issue=348#News:%20Wine%201.0%21) has finally been released! woohoo! This is an exciting moment. I just opened up my Bibleworks wine install (in Ubuntu 8.04) and the text editor works now. It never worked before, but now it works. Fantastic.

I hope this is just one improvement of many to come as wine continues to improve. Just an encouragement to those who are afraid of the move to Linux and are tied to Windows by Bibleworks. There are alternatives... :)

deut3221
06-20-2008, 05:02 PM
Matt, could you please post a couple images showing that BW 7 looks like with Wine+Ubuntu. Thank you!!

MWMiles
06-20-2008, 10:38 PM
Hi-

I was wondering if anyone had already taken the time to look into what DLLs BibleWorks makes use of? Perhaps we could get better results under Wine if we substituted some Microsoft DLLs in place of the Wine code. Then we could all get better results running BW under Wine and also give the Wine coders a heads up on what needs to be wrangled to get BW working better without native MS DLL code.

Perhaps one of you dual boot folks might find this an interesting project. I have pretty much gone total Linux and BSD here.

Mike

danymullos
06-21-2008, 05:56 AM
I'm thinking of buying BW 7, and operate with Ubuntu 8.04 with Wine. How good is BW 7 under wine? How buggy is it? Does it often crash ...

hudsonhauck
06-23-2008, 05:27 AM
Matt, could you please post a couple images showing that BW 7 looks like with Wine+Ubuntu. Thank you!!

Here are a few:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/matthauck/SF9c1PLithI/AAAAAAAABcA/1QhVknDAE4g/s400/Bibleworks%201.png (http://picasaweb.google.com/matthauck/Forums/photo#5214988963196089874)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/matthauck/SF9c1IXNr8I/AAAAAAAABcI/yH2NhIm9TNM/s400/Bibleworks%202.png (http://picasaweb.google.com/matthauck/Forums/photo#5214988961365995458)

http://lh5.ggpht.com/matthauck/SF9c1e84KJI/AAAAAAAABcQ/F0qrxF5qbg4/s400/Bibleworks%203.png (http://picasaweb.google.com/matthauck/Forums/photo#5214988967429548178)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/matthauck/SF9c1jkNz1I/AAAAAAAABcg/Nlp5cWmQA7k/s400/Bibleworks%20-%20Diagrams.png (http://picasaweb.google.com/matthauck/Forums/photo#5214988968668286802)

hudsonhauck
06-23-2008, 05:29 AM
And some cool eye candy... ;)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/matthauck/SF9c1ichFGI/AAAAAAAABcY/N-wMwmaF_fs/s400/Bibleworks%20-%20cube.png (http://picasaweb.google.com/matthauck/Forums/photo#5214988968367559778)

hudsonhauck
06-23-2008, 05:36 AM
I'm thinking of buying BW 7, and operate with Ubuntu 8.04 with Wine. How good is BW 7 under wine? How buggy is it? Does it often crash ...

It does not regularly crash. I use it on a regular (daily) basis, and it hardly ever crashes. The one thing is that the HTML help files do not work so well. Whenever I open up something like Wallace's grammar (or another HTML help file), they crash the program every time they are closed. So I avoid those, or at least I avoid doing too much with them.

Other than that (not insignificant) problem, I haven't hit any others consistently enough to remember them.

deut3221
06-23-2008, 02:01 PM
Wow, thank you Matt, thank you!

Question: the toolbar is missing in all of the images. Is this intentional? (It's hard to tell, but in the 3D shot, the toolbar may be showing in the RHS of the cube?)

Finally, any ideas why BW crashes with HTML? Hmmm…

Thanks again Matt!

-steve.

PS Nice use of the diagramming tool. Seems as if I forgot that as I was learning it :)

danymullos
06-24-2008, 02:50 AM
Thanks heaps Matt for the info and for the screenshots. I think I'll go ahead and get it, Danny

hudsonhauck
06-25-2008, 06:55 AM
Question: the toolbar is missing in all of the images. Is this intentional? (It's hard to tell, but in the 3D shot, the toolbar may be showing in the RHS of the cube?)

The toolbar is indeed missing in every shot. This is a known wine bug for BW7. I think it might not happen in earlier versions of BW, but I can't verify that. Even though the toolbar is nice to have, you can also live without it because BW has about 3 ways of accessing just about everything: toolbar, context menu, or the top menus. We are still left with two options.


Finally, any ideas why BW crashes with HTML? Hmmm…

To clarify, it is not HTML that makes it crash, it is the Microsoft html help files (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Compiled_HTML_Help) (.chm). But I don't know why. This bug is bugging me the most probably, as I would like to be able to use Robertson's grammar and the like without it crashing my Bibleworks...

Anybody else have any hints here?


PS Nice use of the diagramming tool. Seems as if I forgot that as I was learning it :)

Just to be clear, I didn't actually make the diagram shown in the diagramming module. Those are the ones provided by BW done by a man named Leedy. But yes, they are very useful! =)

wezlo
06-25-2008, 09:13 AM
Just to clarify, the toolbar stopped showing up with the 7.0 release - before that it showed up fine. Does wine handle unicode keyboard layouts yet? That was the biggest disappointment of using BW7 under wine - no typing unicode hebrew/greek.

As for the crashing html help files. I used to do two things to solve that problem:

1. Held my nose and installed whatever version of IE worked with the IE install scripts for wine (then promptly erased any detectable presence of it on my kde install).
2. Made sure that BW is running with it's windows version set to at least win2000 (though winXP always seemed to work better for me).

Don't know if they'll still work (I'm running vmware fusion for my BW needs at the moment) - but I've got advocate access over at codeweavers so maybe I'll see what I can get working.

hudsonhauck
06-25-2008, 11:20 AM
I am using "gcin" for keyboard input, which does allow me to enter Greek, which Bibleworks receives just fine.

Still not able to close a html help file without it crashing my Bibleworks though :[

wezlo
06-25-2008, 11:23 AM
you got me, what's gcin?

deut3221
06-25-2008, 03:45 PM
Matthew, thank you for all of your helpful information!

hudsonhauck
06-26-2008, 02:38 AM
you got me, what's gcin?

Gcin (http://www.csie.nctu.edu.tw/%7Ecp76/gcin/) is an input method in Linux, mostly used for Chinese input. However, it also has the ability to type Greek.

wezlo
06-26-2008, 09:21 AM
Found it on freashmeat - if they get Hebrew support linux users will have a complete solution!

hudsonhauck
06-27-2008, 02:20 AM
Found it on freashmeat - if they get Hebrew support linux users will have a complete solution!

Gcin will probably never add Hebrew support. It is mainly for Chinese and I dn't think it has plans to change that. Have you tried out scim before? It is more robust and full than gcin, and I think I saw somewhere it has Hebrew support. Scim is the most standard multi-language input method in Linux.

wezlo
06-27-2008, 09:39 AM
I haven't - but I'm on Mac now (using Fusion), so I might not get the chance any time soon.

united_by_truth
06-27-2008, 02:36 PM
Does wine handle unicode keyboard layouts yet? That was the biggest disappointment of using BW7 under wine - no typing unicode hebrew/greek.

With unicode export from BW to clipboard working fine for both Greek and Hebrew why would a person need this? Why not just work in OO or editor of choice and input with unicode in Linux? Seems to be the simplest route to me.

wezlo
06-27-2008, 11:21 PM
there's times when I just want to use the BW editor to save real-estate.

Hugh
08-02-2008, 02:08 PM
Hi!

Can you update BW7.0 over the net with Wine? I was never able to do that, so I wound up using VirtualBox and XP to run BW. I would prefer to run directly under Wine.

united_by_truth
08-02-2008, 08:53 PM
Yes, BibleWorks can be updated over the Web in Wine. Look here (http://www.bibleworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2952) at posts 4, 5, 6. This has apparently worked for others. However, I can update directly also. It may have to do with using winetricks to make it think IE is installed.

tkeene
08-18-2008, 11:27 PM
After scouring this post, along with some others, and a couple of Wine sites, I got Bibleworks 7 almost fully operational on Ubuntu 8.04. I describe how I did it here: http://nerdlets.thekeenehouse.com/2008/08/18/run-bibleworks-7-with-wine-in-ubuntu-804/