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fishfishf
03-14-2008, 06:12 PM
I'm really asking myself how to get the search to work. I use bibleworks for over some years, but i didn't have such a problem ever.
1. Choosing Luther Bibel 1984 as search version.
2. writing to comand line ".bund"
3. The colour changes into red, and it is said, that this word "cannot be found in the current search version"
4. That's impossible "bund" is the german translation of covenant
5. The Word list contains a entry "bund 240"
6. I restarted Bibleworks using the configuration manager and startetd with the default oiptions- nothing changed
7. Even by insterting ".bu*@*" the answer is: "cannot be found in the current search version"

I just have to ask: Any Idea what's going on? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Dale A. Brueggemann
03-14-2008, 06:20 PM
Sounds like you have a limit set that doesn't include the term bund. To clear that, type "L" on the command line, which clears limits; then try your search again.

fishfishf
03-14-2008, 06:44 PM
I don't have any search limit set, but only three squares on the lfet sid of the serarch version button are green. the square in the upper right corner is yellow.

I use Bibelworlks Version 7.0.019e.3 and Windows Vista Home premium

fishfishf
03-14-2008, 08:32 PM
I just used the repair option of the Setup. Result: Nothing changed
I retryed using the resetup.exe. Result: Nothing changed.

Is that a bug?

Mark Eddy
03-14-2008, 09:31 PM
I don't have any search limit set, but only three squares on the lfet sid of the serarch version button are green. the square in the upper right corner is yellow.

I use Bibelworlks Version 7.0.019e.3 and Windows Vista Home premium
Here's what BW7 Help says about the limit squares:
§Top Left: This is yellow if you have any search limits set.
§Bottom Left: This is yellow if you have any cross version search options set.
§Top Right: This is yellow if accent-sensitive searching is on for the current search version or if "smart apostrophes" is turned on for English versions.
§Bottom Right: This is yellow if you are using a Hebrew version and Hebrew vowel-sensitive searching is on.

So, you need to check into accent sensitive searching (in BW7 Command Line Search Options) or check out your settings for "smart apostrophes".
I also noticed that the top right square turns yellow when you change the search version manually to a German version. E.g. I have all nothern European versions in one of my favorites, with BGT as the search version. When I right click on LUT and make it the search version, the top right square turns yellow. BW7 considers German to be a west European language for accent sensitive searching, even though German has no accents. But I have no trouble searching on .bund. BW finds all 240 instances for me, even with accent sensitive searching enables. (I am running Windows XP, if that makes any difference.)
Here is another possibility: do you by chance have a secondary browse window open? If you have more than just one browse window open, sometimes you think that you are searching in one language, when BW7 is active in another window and is searching in another language.
E.g. if your main browse window has a Greek version as the search version, and your secondary browse window has a German search version, when you type on the command line BW may think you want the Greek when you want the German. There currently is a bug in the secondary browse window, if you change search versions within that window more than twice BW refuses to remember any more changes of search version. In that case, you just close down the secondary browse window and start over.
If you are in the main browse window, then I suggest rebooting and see if the problem persists, because I never have any problems in the main browse window.
Mark Eddy

fishfishf
03-15-2008, 08:42 AM
ok, i just made
1. a clean install (= deinstall, restart computer, install)
2. applied the vista fix patch successfully
3. applied every update available
4. Now i have BibleWorks Version 7.0.019e.8

and the result is: Nothing changed

It 's not the case, that the search doesn't operate at all. It Works fine with some words, with others not: There seems only a problem with words starting with "b", but not all b-words. Some work. But of course i didn't checked the whole alphabet :)




Here is another possibility: do you by chance have a secondary browse window open?

No



Here's what BW7 Help says about the limit squares:
[...]

So, you need to check into accent sensitive searching (in BW7 Command Line Search Options) or check out your settings for "smart apostrophes".
I also noticed that the top right square turns yellow when you change the search version manually to a German version.


I actually use German version as search version. I checked out accent sensitive searching(WE)

Nothing changed. BUt thank you for your helpful advices.

:confused::confused::confused:

Any further idea?

MBushell
03-17-2008, 11:07 AM
I've taken a look at this and it seems to be a Vista problem. BibleWorks uses system resources to determine the sort order of word to build and use word indexes. For some unknown reason Vista changes the order in which German words are sorted! That means the German version databases compiled under all previous versions of Windows will not work under Vista. You can fix it yourself until we are able to find a resolution. What you have to do is use the BibleWorks exporter to export the version to a text file. Then use the BibkeWorks Version Database Compiler to recompile the version. Be sure to name it something different. You could use LUTV instead of LUT for example. If you don't know how to do this please hang on until we can put together a set of instructions. This is only a temporary fix of couse. One of two things will happen: (1) if this is a Vista bug that is fixed in the forthcoming service pack, we'll require German users to get the update (it's free) or (2) if this is a bug that Microsoft isn't going to fix we have to recompile all German versions and maintain separate versions for Vista and non-Vista setups.

Before providing a final solution to this we'd like to do some testing and see if the service pack will fix this. If the German versions have to be recompiled, we will post new versions. Grrrr.

To repeat what we have said before: stay away from Vista if you can avoid it. It will waster your time and money.

halharless
03-17-2008, 10:35 PM
I'm not sure if this is related, but I cannot search either QSM or QST. I have turned off limits to no avail and even attempted a custom search range. I am running Windows 2000 not Vista.

Thanks,
Dr. Hal Harless

fishfishf
03-18-2008, 05:45 AM
I've taken a look at this and it seems to be a Vista problem. BibleWorks uses system resources to determine the sort order of word to build and use word indexes. For some unknown reason Vista changes the order in which German words are sorted! That means the German version databases compiled under all previous versions of Windows will not work under Vista. You can fix it yourself until we are able to find a resolution. What you have to do is use the BibleWorks exporter to export the version to a text file. Then use the BibkeWorks Version Database Compiler to recompile the version.

Thank you for this advice - it worked :) Regarding the German versions: I'm not sure whether this problem concerns all German versions, i do not use them all too often. Uups - i just recognized, that it is also true to EIN - the same problem (.bund)


To repeat what we have said before: stay away from Vista if you can avoid it. It will waster your time and money.

I use Vista for more than 1 1/2 years now, and in my case one of the few programs with Vista-Problems is BibleWorks. I appreciate BW and i'm glad to have it, and i really don't want to insult you and your work, but (in my case) it is simple true. :( But thank you for your professional help.

EdMellott
03-24-2008, 05:14 PM
The problem discussed in this thread was due to an issue with sort order in Windows Vista. This problem has been fixed in the most recent update of the BibleWorks executable, 7.0.019g.

Simply open the updater within BibleWorks (HELP > BIBLEWORKS ON THE INTERNET > CHECK FOR UPDATES,) then choose and apply the new executable from the list.

Adelphos
03-24-2008, 06:51 PM
...To repeat what we have said before: stay away from Vista if you can avoid it. It will waster your time and money.

MS has increasingly become more and more annoying. They have forced upon the computing world an increasingly intrusive OS, (with untold government embeddings -- yes, George Orwell has finally arrived), and this in turn has caused significant innumerable problems in a multitude of implementations.

As a result, not only is there a growing and fairly good-sized grass-roots user movement towards other operating systems, most notably MAC, but I am certain that many businesses, some of them large, are likewise considering an entire OS paradigm move.

I hope it happens, for Vista is nothing but an intrusive, cruel joke, and MS needs to learn its lesson or lose its base, and the sooner the better.

MBushell
04-11-2008, 05:16 PM
The problem is deeper than we thought. There are a number of languages for which Microsoft changed the sort order of word lists. BibleWorks depends on this sort order to look up words in its indexed Bible Versions. We are working on a fix which will cause problem versions to be rebuilt and words list resorted when you start up BibleWorks (a one time event). This affects a number of versions, but most of them are German. I should have the new executable some time next week.

We apologize to our German customers. Who would have guessed that Microsoft would change the sort order of a mature language like German? It has been the same in Windows for 15 years!

God bless,
Mike

SCSaunders
04-11-2008, 06:31 PM
Who would have guessed that Microsoft would change the sort order of a mature language like German? It has been the same in Windows for 15 years!Sounds like they really borked it this time!

Christopher S Wiley
04-11-2008, 09:18 PM
Maybe Bibleworks should look at a port to Linux seeing how no one really has a market on that OS for this type of program? This way those who want to move from MS can use a native program for that OS.