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Adelphos
05-11-2006, 09:04 PM
The Aleppo and Leningrad codices can be found here --

http://www.crosswire.org/sword/index.jsp

This is the SWORD Progject, with free program and modules. I strongly recommend that you use the Install Manager to install all modules, including these two codices.

Since these codices are apparently public domain, it would really be nice if BW could include them. Although they are searchable in the aforementioned software package, this program does not have near the capacity as BW, so inclusion in BW would be a big step up.

jakemccarty
05-11-2006, 11:04 PM
These would be great additions! Is there a way to include them into BW's through a VDC?

Adelphos
05-11-2006, 11:06 PM
These would be great additions! Is there a way to include them into BW's through a VDC?

Yeah, if you can find the raw text somewhere.

jdarlack
05-12-2006, 01:59 AM
According to the SWORD Project documentation (http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModInfo.jsp?modName=WLC), the "Leningrad Codex" text is actually one and the same with the WTT text already in BW:
The WLC source is maintained by the Westminster Hebrew Institute, Philadelphia, PA (http://whi.wts.edu/WHI (http://whi.wts.edu/WHI)).Mechon-Mamre (http://www.mechon-mamre.org) is the organization responsible for the Aleppo text as found in the SWORD Project (see database info (http://www.crosswire.org/sword/modules/ModInfo.jsp?modName=Aleppo)). A couple of years ago, I contacted them and asked for permission to convert their texts into BibleWorks format and distribute them freely to the BibleWorks community. Unfortunately, :( they were very adamantly opposed to it. At the time one of their objections was that BibleWorks did not use Unicode--though I think that other ideological "frictions" were involved as well. Perhaps with the advent of v. 7, they would not be so opposed. Perhaps a few people could contact them.

The source files for the Aleppo codex are found here (http://www.mechon-mamre.org/i/t/t0.htm) for browsing on the web, but they are also available in a zipped file for offline use with (http://www.mechon-mamre.org/dlct.htm) and without (http://www.mechon-mamre.org/dlt.htm) cantillation marks. Now, a "legal" way around this prohibition would be for someone to create a script that would take the downloaded files and convert them into BW format. This would be "legal" in that the texts would be converted by the individual user for private use, rather than converted and re-distributed.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the Aleppo text at Mechon-Mamre must have been "reconstructed" in some way from texts other than the Aleppo Codex, given that only "two-thirds" of the Aleppo text are known to the world right now. See the helpful article on Bible-Researcher.com (http://www.bible-researcher.com/aleppo.html). I would like to know more about the exact background of the text found at Mechon-Mamre. In the meantime, you can browse the actual Aleppo manuscript here (http://aleppocodex.org/).

jdarlack
05-12-2006, 02:20 AM
I Googled (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22aleppo+codex%22) the Aleppo Codex and found a great blog post (http://www.bsreview.org/weblog/2004/10/aleppo-codex-online.html) at Bible Software Review (run by blogger extraordinaire, Rubén Gómez (http://www.bibleworks.com/forums/member.php?u=10)) - with a comment by Wieland Willker (http://www.bibleworks.com/forums/member.php?u=122). It provides a "hack" for downloading the high-resolution photos of the manuscript. Wow!

Adelphos
05-12-2006, 02:56 AM
It provides a "hack" for downloading the high-resolution photos of the manuscript. Wow!

As Wieland said, this "hack" has been known for quite awhile.

And of course it's great to have the pictures for scrutiny, but it would be greater still if we could get the text into BW.

Then, once you've performed whatever searching you want to do, you can verify any question marks with the original manuscript to make sure it reads in the text the way it reads on the actual exemplar.

I also knew about the website that SWORD stated they got their material from, but I still don't know how to legally get the text into BW.

I really don't see how the text itself can be copyrighted. In fact, I'm pretty sure it can't be. The only question is if the format they have it in can be copyrighted.

Either way, the text itself is surely public domain, so I would hope to see it in BW soon.

jdarlack
05-12-2006, 09:00 AM
Scott, do you know if anyone has "indexed" the JPEG's according to what verses each folio contains? If someone has, perhaps there could be a means of integrating the pages with the VDC. (Sorry, I meant to say "ELM.")

Adelphos
05-12-2006, 09:31 AM
Scott, do you know if anyone has "indexed" the JPEG's according to what verses each folio contains? If someone has, perhaps there could be a means of integrating the pages with the VDC.

You have really got my curiosity aroused. I'd like to see that! :rolleyes:

I don't have any idea about the indexes, but perhaps Wieland knows, if he's reading this.

Otherwise, if you post this question on the TC list, I am sure someone there will be able to give you an authoritative answer. And if it's not indexed, I suspect it wouldn't be too hard. Just tedious.

Ewan MacLeod
05-14-2006, 04:41 PM
A few months ago I started mapping the JPEGs of the Aleppo Codex, but stopped because the web site was done so badly that it was a waste of time. The JPEGs seem to be random pages, in no order at all, with major gaps in the sequences, and jumping to and fro throughout the Aleppo Codex itself. JPEGs of about half the pages were simply missing. The site itself appears to allow you to display the PDF of each page, but almost all the time the wrong page is displayed. It is a real pity that people who had access to the Aleppo Codex couldn't spend some time to get it right.

jdarlack
05-14-2006, 10:03 PM
. . . The JPEGs seem to be random pages, in no order at all, with major gaps in the sequences, and jumping to and fro throughout the Aleppo Codex itself. JPEGs of about half the pages were simply missing.Hmm, so you're saying that the sequence of 1.jpg, 2.jpg, 3.jpg is out of order throughout the 234 pages presented? That's too bad if it's the case. I used this html file (http://www.oldinthenew.org/aleppo.html) (with links to each page on the site) to download each JPEG into a folder on my computer. I think if each page was defined/indexed at least with a starting and ending verse, it would still be helpful. I found that a few pages have lower resolution, and in other places the pages are incomplete. For the most part, however, the pages are there.
The site itself appears to allow you to display the PDF of each page, but almost all the time the wrong page is displayed. It is a real pity that people who had access to the Aleppo Codex couldn't spend some time to get it right.Ultimately I'm not too interested in using their flash interface. I'd rather have a simple HTML index that I could perhaps make into an indexed BibleWorks html help file that could be incorporated into the Analysis Window. Similar "simple" indexes with links to appropriate pages could be made for the pages at the Journal of Biblical Textual Criticism site (http://rosetta.reltech.org/Ebind/docs/TC/) (password/username is "any").

yugu
06-08-2006, 06:20 AM
Hi people,
The JPEGs of AC in high resolution, indexed according to the familiar to us books/chap./verses you can find here:
http://aleppocodex.org
About the Mechon-Mamre text: it seems that they took the revision of R' Broyer, which indeed based his TANAK on the Keter while completing it with the Masora information and other Leningradian codexes (which principally came out from the same Tiberian Masoretic School).
I'll update it if i'll find something else...

Adelphos
06-13-2006, 07:15 PM
Here's an updated site for the Leningrad Codex, formatted in Hebrew SBL font --

http://www.cvkimball.com/Tanach/Tanach.xml

You can copy and edit the text, so if someone wants to do a lot of work, this could be converted into a database module for BW.

Perhaps somebody will now format the Aleppo Codex in the same format as the above site.

song_robin
07-06-2006, 04:39 AM
I have converted the Aleppo Codex into BibleWorks, however it is still in Unicode format. To view it, I have to set my non-Unicode regional settings (in Windows) to HEBREW to actually view it or else it appears garbled.

Because of this problem, I have not included it into the latest Master List Installer. If anyone can help me convert Unicode *back* to bwhebb, I'll update the Master List with it.

Thanks!

Robin

song_robin
07-06-2006, 01:20 PM
Here's the Aleppo Codex Installer file for any of you who want to play around with it.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=W1UIXW2G

http://rapidshare.de/files/25111310/ALE.exe.html

As for now, it's still too buggy to be included in the Master List. Here are the current known issues:

1. only works when non-Unicode regional settings are set to Hebrew (or else all you'll see are greek/math symbols)
2. only displays when entered as an English Bible (not Hebrew)
3. every VERSE displays LEFT to RIGHT (not RIGHT TO LEFT)
4. however, each WORD in the verse displays RIGHT to LEFT

I hope someone out there has a simple solution for this.