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11-28-2005, 03:10 PM
My Aramaic is pretty weak, so if possible: could someone please translate 2 Sam 23.5 from Aramaic into English.
You can view it on line here (http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/searching/targumsearch.html) (in case you don't have the module in BW).
Thank you brave and studied soul for helping!!
11-28-2005, 07:39 PM
Here's my very quick and dirty literal attempt. I don't have access to Jastrow at the moment, so I only used the CAL glosses. The meaning of the verse in Arm. is far from self-evident, the syntax is messy, and I suspect CAL has mismapped a few words. My translation doesn't even make tons of sense to me, and I so I reserve the right to improve upon it later when I can give it more than two minutes ;)
"David said, much more than this (is) my house before God, for He made an eternal covenant with me for my lasting kingdom, just as those alive/enduring (?) the orders of beginning (?) and kept watch forever which went(?), because all my ? and all my petition before him are being made (?) in everything. Then the whole kingdom will no longer stand before it."
11-30-2005, 03:20 PM
Thanks for the help!
12-01-2005, 08:15 AM
Here's a translation from The Aramaic Bible (vol. 10):
David said: "More than this (is) my house before God, for he established an eternal covenant for me for my kingdom to endure like the orders of creation endure and to be preserved for the world which is coming; for all my needs and all my desire before him are done; therefore every kingdom already opposite it will not be established.The whole text is italicized because it differs greatly with the MT. See Daniel J. Harrington and Anthony J. Saldarini, Targum Jonathan of the Former Prophets: Introduction, Translation and Notes (The Aramaic Bible 10; Wilmington, Del.: Michael Glazier, 1987), 204.
12-01-2005, 12:33 PM
Thanks for the lead. I'm not familiar with the text, but I'll check it out asap!! Excellent!
[quote=jdarlack]Here's a translation from The Aramaic Bible (vol. 10):
David said: "More than this (is) my house before God, for he established an eternal covenant for me for my kingdom to endure like the orders of creation endure and to be preserved for the world which is coming; for all my needs and all my desire before him are done; therefore every kingdom already opposite it will not be established.I just read your entry and would like to know if The Aramaic Bible from which you quoted is on CD-Rom. If so, please reply with relevant purchasing information.
12-30-2005, 10:48 AM
Unfortunately, it is not available electronically. You may want to contact The Liturgical Press regarding the series and any possible plans to put it into electronic form.
I do know that Accordance is currently working on an English translation of the Targums in electronic format.
I do hope that one day BibleWorks could get a full, modern English translation of the Targums for its users. In the meantime, I will soon post some files made available by John Ronning that have older English Translations of one of the Targums on the Pentateuch. (Keep your eye on the forum for this post. I cannot post them immediately, as I am on vacation.)
01-05-2006, 02:29 PM
As I mentioned before, I have finally gotten around to posting the English translation of Targum Pseudo Jonathan. These files have been made available to BW users by John Ronning, Lecturer in Hebrew and Old Testament at John Wycliffe Theological College (http://www.wycliffe.edu/).
The source information is as follows:
PJE Targum Pseudo Jonathan on the Pentateuch
An English translation compiled and adapted by John Ronning from source files at the Newsletter for Targumic and Cognate Studies (http://www.tulane.edu/%7Entcs/pj/psjon.htm (http://www.tulane.edu/%7Entcs/pj/psjon.htm)). Original text from J. W. Etheridge, The Targums of Onkelos and Jonathan ben Uzziel on the Pentateuch: with the fragments of the Jerusalem Targum (London: Longman, Green, Longman, and Roberts, 1862-1865).
Report any errors to jronning at wycliffe dot edu.
Download the zipped files here: http://oldinthenew.org/bibleworks/pje.zip (http://oldinthenew.org/bibleworks/pje.zip)
If you have problems unzipping the above download, you can download the unzipped individual files here: http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/pje/ (http://bibleworks.oldinthenew.org/pje/)
01-05-2006, 03:27 PM
If the above link to the zipped file does not work. Try this link to the raw files (unzipped) for the Targum Pseudo Jonathan on the Pentateuch:
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